Archived discussion for May 2010 from Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates.

ITN candidates for May 31

Sayeed al-Masri

Number 3 al-Qaeda leader reported dead. Marcus Aurelius (talk) 02:43, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Support. Sayeed al-Masri is reported to have been killed in a Drone strike in Pakistan ( and confirmed by Al-Qaeda).(WP), (CNN), (NYT)--Wikireader41 (talk) 03:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose per my "cockroach" standard- no matter how many of these types get killed, there's always another one ready to take up the job. I honestly couldn't see myself supporting anyone but the confirmed death of Osama himself. Courcelles (talk) 20:20, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose per Courcelles. Al-qaeda leaders get killed all the time, and usually no-one has even heard they'd taken over until their assassination is announced. Bin Laden would be and al-Zakalwi was big enough, but al-Masri isn't. Al-Zawahiri would be debatable. Modest Genius ^talk 23:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Lahore attack update

The gunman in custody has been attacked. Geotv. We can update the previous article.--yousaf465' 02:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Adding here bcz June 1 is not being created.--yousaf465' 02:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

this belongs to the article talk page not here--Wikireader41 (talk) 03:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, and there's no chance of tweaking the existing blurb since it dropped off the Main Page with the shuffling around at midnight UTC. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok Shifting to talk-page.--yousaf465' 03:43, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

May 2010 Quebec wildfires

I don't know the last time we had a Canadian story (or more appropriately a Canadien one). There's int'l interest here because the smoke from the fires is reaching as far as Boston and beyond. Article needs work though. ~DC _{Talk To Me} 19:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Philippine congressional elections

Most of the party-list seats have been filled up so the remaining seats in the House of Representatives (around 25) won't change the outcome. The results of the Senate election was earlier known but I wanted to join into one blurb:

• The Liberal Party has a plurality of seats in the Senate, while Lakas Kampi CMD wins a plurality of seats in the House of Representatives in the Philippine congressional elections."

For those who are looking, the updates are in the "Aftermath" section in each article. The result of the presidential election may come later this week or next week. –Howard the Duck 17:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The senate elections were announced way back on 18 May; when were the representatives announced? Barring date issues, support per ITNR. Bodies of the articles have been updated but their leads could do with a once-over. Modest Genius ^talk 19:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I was waiting for the at least 90% of the House of Representatives' seats to have declared winners. While most of the winning district representatives (80% of the seats) were announced the week proceeding the election, more than half of the party-list seats (20% of the seats) were declared today so I waited for the party-lists to have declared winners. Plus, I think the people here won't like an article about elections in the Philippines going up thrice. –Howard the Duck 19:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Heyyyyyy anyone? For reference this should go below the Gaza flotilla item since this occurred first. –Howard the Duck

• Support. ITN/R. --Mkativerata (talk) 08:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy it's been over a day already what else has to be added so I can ask the Wiki fairies to do their magic. –Howard the Duck 14:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)reply

It looks good to me, this should go up now. Modest Genius ^talk 15:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)reply

• Posting before the template gets even more stale. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Horst Köhler resigns

Should be on ITNR I think as German President. Will try to update. --candle•wicke 12:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support. First German president to resign (post-war). --bender235 (talk) 12:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• We'd really need more on why he resigned! As it is, there's just the one sentence in the article - but if we can get this updated, it certainly deserves mentioning. Shimgray | talk | 12:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It had just happened when I discovered it. Now I have updated it. German President Horst Köhler (pictured) resigns with immediate effect. --candle•wicke 13:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Posting. Maybe we should include the reason? --Tone 13:34, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I think the reason is more important than the "with immediate effect". How about "etcetc. resigns following criticism of his comments about overseas military operations." Physchim62 (talk) 13:37, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment: this is certainly not an ITNR event. In the case of an elected head of state (ie that applies to germany), ITNR lists the results of elections for the head of state, not the resignation of an existing one. As it happens, I support posting this, but on it's own merits. However I think the blurb really has to have some information about why he resigned, reading it at the moment my immediate reaction is 'so?' Modest Genius ^talk 14:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

That's not my understanding of ITN/R. I thought we were clear that all changes of head of state should go up. I agree that we should find a wording that summarizes the reasons for his resignation (the reasons are not in dispute, but it's a rather complicated affair). Physchim62 (talk) 14:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

WP:ITNR lists 'The results of the elections for head of state'. Nothing about resignations or other changes. That may well be worth modifying (in which case WT:ITNR would be the place to discuss it), but as ITNR currently stands this item is not included. Modest Genius ^talk 16:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

As far I as I know, WP:ITNR exists to automatically include, rather than automatically exclude, potential ITN blurbs. –Howard the Duck 17:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Indeed so. You'll note I even !voted support. My point is you can't say 'support per ITNR' when it's not actually on ITNR. Modest Genius ^talk 19:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Noted. Perhaps "any change in head of state permanently" should be an ITNR, while temporary changes should be left off. –Howard the Duck 19:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Both points are included in "the succession of a Head of State", which is exactly what has happened in Germany. Physchim62 (talk) 19:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

No-one has succeeded yet; his replacement hasn't been decided. Modest Genius ^talk 20:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

(←) Shouldn't the fact that Jens Böhrnsen, as President of the Bundesrat assumes the powers of the Presidency be mentioned? ~DC _{Talk To Me} 04:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Christian Wulff is designated by the government to succeed Köhler (and is certain to win, unless there's a two-digit number of "faithless electors" from the government parties in the Bundesversammlung). So this fact might be added to the blurb. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 20:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Israeli child-abuse claims

I think a major study. --yousaf465' 08:55, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

So would you perhaps like to provide us with some information? Any information at all? Is there an article? Has it been updated? What's the significance of the story? Modest Genius ^talk 14:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose I think this is the story he is referring to. claims of abuse based on some affidavits from people who hate Israel1--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I think we may update this article Defence for Children International. --yousaf465' 16:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Reports of Israeli forces killing flotilla passengers

• Eh - 10 at the moment. I believe there are notable people, including Nobel Laureates and politicians on board, but even without them... :-( --candle•wicke 04:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Let's wait on better more sources, and for the story to settle a bit. Wikinews is over there. Prodego ^talk 05:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Obvious Support but wait. There were some notable Pakistani passengers also. I think this might bring it in direct conflict with Pakistan after 1973's war. Then the ratio was 2:0, what will be this time. At least for the story to to develop. It's gone be tricky. --yousaf465' 05:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

What are you talking about? This cryptic trolling by yousaf465 is getting stranger by the day. Nutmegger (talk) 06:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me. Modest Genius ^talk 14:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment would recommend cutting Yousaf some slack. The excessive Power cuts and the never ending violence in Pakistan there has got to be stressful. It is admirable that he still finds the dedication to log on to WP.--Wikireader41 (talk) 15:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment Somehow I don't think Yousaf is logging in from Pakistan, no matter what it says on his or her profile. Nutmegger (talk) 16:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

And that isn't cryptic trolling? --candle•wicke 04:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. but help me in expanding the article--DAI (Δ) 05:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support Mjroots (talk) 08:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Comment Um, what article is being updated here? -- tariqabjotu 08:12, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Gaza flotilla clash. JACOPLANE • 2010-05-31 08:20

• Support. This is a massive news story; it's all over the front pages of every news site this morning. Needs to be in ITN asap. -- ChrisO (talk) 08:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Ten people killed in an attack by the Israel Defense Forces on flotilla of ships in international waters in the eastern Mediterranean Sea. Physchim62 (talk) 09:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 09:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. Looks good to go. --Mkativerata (talk) 09:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Posted -- tariqabjotu 09:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Belated support. Modest Genius ^talk 14:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for May 30

2010 Indianapolis 500

The 2010 Indianapolis 500 should be complete within the next half-hour or so. This race is on ITN/R Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

We need to fix ITN/R then! Also, this article is as ugly as sin. Support if it is properly updated. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I have done a prose update as it's been an hour since the race finished and none of the indy fans have arrived at the article. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Well it's on ITN/R so... posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Do you have the balls to put something in the blurb about it being an all-British podium? :) --Mkativerata (talk) 22:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

If you can work it into a decent blurb. You get used to the cries of admin abuse! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I'll go against expansion in this direction. The winner is enough. --Tone 22:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

The update looks a bit lacking to me - there's a good bit of prose, but no results table. And an in-principle support per ITNR. Modest Genius ^talk 22:55, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose until the article is ready. It is tagged. --candle•wicke 04:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

The article should be ready, dunno why the tag is still there. –Howard the Duck 04:34, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I removed it. I've seen shorter FAs. ~DC _{Talk To Me} 04:37, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

There should probably be some mention that it's his 2nd victory. 169.233.38.156 (talk) 11:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

How about " Scottish race car driver Dario Franchitti wins his second Indianapolis 500"? –Howard the Duck 11:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

'racing driver' is probably a better phrasing that 'race car driver', which sounds odd to BrE ears. Modest Genius ^talk 14:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It ("racing driver") sounds odd to me too... how was the Monaco GP worded? We can copy that. –Howard the Duck 17:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I think we avoided the issue by saying 'mark webber wins in a red bull car' Modest Genius ^talk 19:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Or probably use "Scotsman." I was going to say follow what you guys did earlier but I doubt if anyone knows IndyCar cars. –Howard the Duck 19:12, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Cure for Ebola

Cure has been found for Ebola in monkeys and a human version should be available within 5 years.2 --Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 17:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. Thue | talk 17:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - After reading the book, Hot Zone, I'm extremely happy that they've gotten this close to getting the cure for humans. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support The reliable sources indicate this is very significant. I am adding updates at Ebola#Treatment.--Mkativerata (talk) 19:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment. The original peer-reviewed paper appeared in The Lancet here. Physchim62 (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support This is a major breakthrough. Malke2010 00:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Posted HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:20, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

A potential cure? I thought this had to be fact? --candle•wicke 22:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It says it works on monkeys. So let's modify the blurb, the current one is not following the ITN conventions. --Tone 22:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Neutral. Remission in four monkeys and we post it on ITN? That seems a bit like jumping the gun to me. I don't have any reason to doubt the efficacy, and it's certainly an interesting item, so I won't oppose but I'm not convinced either. Modest Genius ^talk 22:57, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Pigeon held for spying

Yes you are reading it correctly a pigeon is being for spying.Pigeon held for spying. This reminds me of captain Blackadder's shooting of a pigeon, and the subsequent court martial, which also represents the world after 9/11. As candlewicke said earlier many of you might not have been born when this series was aired. For those of you who haven't seen it is located here blackadder - shooting of the carrier pigeon. So lets have some fun.--yousaf465' 08:54, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose - Wikipedia is not an outlet for sensationalist news stories.--WaltCip (talk) 15:55, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. a) this is frivolous and b) there's no article update provided. Modest Genius ^talk 16:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support for April 1st next year, and that's it. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 18:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

This is the response I needed, not the above ones. Take every story on it's merit. ;) For more serious response see below. --yousaf465' 02:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

perfect pitch after 1880

rest you know.--yousaf465' 04:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Huh? No, I don't know what you're talking about. -- tariqabjotu 07:13, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I believe he is talking about the perfect game that Roy Halladay threw yesterday. --PlasmaTwa2 08:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I saw it live in the morning on ESPN. It was a night game I think. --yousaf465' 08:54, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Oppose Non-championship sporting records generally don't go up and another perfect game was thrown about less than a month ago. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 16:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Oppose There seems to be a surplus of trolling this week from user yousaf465, who supports a pigeon story and the perfect game but not the Lahore attack, which killed 100+, from being placed on ITN. Nutmegger (talk) 17:54, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Let's try and focus on the nomination rather than the nominator please. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• _{(edit conflict)}Oppose Criterion insufficiency. Nomination history by yousaf465 seems somewhat worrying.--WaltCip (talk) 18:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Assume good faith. Mark Buehrle's perfect game was posted last year, I think, and Dallas Braden's generated a lot of discussion, so a nomination is not out of line. (These things usually only happen every five years or so -- don't know why there's been 3 in a year and two in a month.) -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

As Mwalcoff a similar record was nominated/posted previously , that is the reason for posting this one. For Lahore attack I had some reservation which I expressed, I think that was not without reason. Previously I not only nominated such attack but also supported posting. I think this will clear any confusion. :) --yousaf465' 02:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

What is wrong with making a nomination? There aren't usually ever enough. And there will be even less if the nominators are discouraged. --candle•wicke 03:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I agree entirely, Candlewicke; further, there have only been, what, 20 of these in 120 years? Two in a month is a statistical anomaly we may never see again, so it was worth the nomination. I think a) a better nomination statement, at least linking to the pitcher's article and including the term "perfect game" would have started this one on a better foot, and b) the uniqueness of the timing is also its downfall as a claim to importance. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 15:12, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Actually, I think the rare event here is not a perfect game, but rather the second perfect game in one month. That in itself could be ITN-worthy. -- tariqabjotu 15:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Tropical Storm Agatha

Six people have already been killed by the storm, which was declared early today, and forecasts anticipate upwards of 20 inches (500 cm) of rain falling in El Salvador, Guatemala (including around the Pacaya volcano) and Nicaragua. The government in Guatemala is fearing that this will turn into a huge disaster, "the severity of the storm could overwhelm the State's response capabilities" - 3 as well as dozens of other Spanish and English news sources. The storm has now also made landfall near the Mexico-Guatemala border. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Update- 12 people are confirmed to have been killed in Guatemala and 11 others are missing. 4 Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support works for me

The article is well-developed, please suggest a blurb. --Tone 22:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Suggested blurb: Tropical Storm Agatha triggers widespread flooding across Central America, killing at least 83 people.

Latest info states 83 fatalities from the storm now 5 Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment death toll now up to 16. Leave Message, Yellow Evan home 12:57, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Another update- 23 people confirmed killed and 24 more are missing, countries affected are Guatemala, Mexico, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. In addition, the storm could make it into the Atlantic basin. ~AH1^(TCU) 21:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Posted. This has been nominated for a fair while and there has been no rush to oppose it. There's a decent article on the subject and it seems to be affecting a lot of people in a lot of places, which is why I put it up despite the relatively week consensus. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Update. Now at least 102 killed, 41 missing. ~AH1^(TCU) 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Thanks, I'll update the template. You'll probably get a faster response at WP:ERRORS if further updates are needed. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Colombian presidential election, 2010

Elections for President of Colombia - Dumelow (talk) 15:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)reply

It doesn't look likely that any candidate will win the required 50% of the vote. In that case the run of will be on 20 June - Dumelow (talk) 08:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

In this case let us wait. --Tone 22:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for May 29

Czech legislative election, 2010

Results announced but it is not clear who will form government.6 Article needs some work. I will try. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support when updated. If it is not clear who'll form the government, we usually go with "X party wins plurality in the election." --Tone 21:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I've updated it to the most recent results in the "Results" section. If we go with a blurb of that kind I would suggest "The Social Democratic Party wins a plurality in a legislative election in the Czech Republic". But for context it might be worth including a bit about how they're unlikely to form government (eg their leader has resigned). --Mkativerata (talk) 22:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Looking at the results, we should work on the blurb a bit. Saying it will be hard for them to form the government is rather speculative though apparently obvious. Maybe better to mention that 5 parties entered the parliament with big parties suffering huge loss of votes? --Tone 22:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

"... but its leader resigns citing a poorer than expected result" is the best I can think of (for now). --Mkativerata (talk) 22:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Sounds reasonable. Let's leave it for a couple of hours to allow some more ideas to appear and the article to grow. Then, posting. --Tone 22:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

support electoral results are always ITN. Can mention who won a plurality even if not a majority.Lihaas (talk) 10:12, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

The article is much better now, posting. --Tone 10:14, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. --bender235 (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Eurovision Song Contest 2010

The 55th contest is taking place tonight (well, now), being broadcast to a television audience of 125 million across the world. Winner to be announced in around two hours time. (BBC)(AP) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 20:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

This is ITN/R, so presuming we get an update, support. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Naturally support - Romania will win. – SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Seems to be correct the exit polls, i'm disgusted. Germany will win? - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 21:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, the results will be there in around half an hour. --Tone 21:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Germany have won the contest. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Now the article needs to be updated. Some prose in the intro will suffice for posting, IMO. --Tone 22:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• (edit conflict) Support. Germany wins. --candle•wicke 22:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Looks like it has already gone up without any update or sourcing. 7 --Mkativerata (talk) 22:15, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

This should be fixed in a couple of minutes. I'd suggest expanding the blurb to mention the singer and the song name. --Tone 22:17, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

We have a free image of the winner, if anyone wants to update the current picture. File:Lena Oslo3 cropped.jpg - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Yes, agree, I think we know what the coat of arms of Trinidad and Tobago looks like by now! Physchim62 (talk) 22:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Already been done! Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:27, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Ooh, someone was quick. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Maybe File:Lena Meyer-Landrut01.jpg would be a better picture. EnemyOfTheState_|talk 03:43, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

One could add the fact that it's the first German victory since 1982. --bender235 (talk) 13:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Ah, that's statistics, we don't feature statistics unless they are really special (which I don't think is the case here).--Tone 13:13, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Huh? Why not? It's the first German win in 28 years, and second overall. Being German, I can tell you that is a notable stat. --bender235 (talk) 14:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Being a non-German, I can tell you that most certainly is NOT a notable stat. Modest Genius ^talk 14:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

For a well-supported candidacy, the prose update for this blurb, was... minimal. And that says a lot. –Howard the Duck 17:57, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

The suite of articles (on the song, artist and competition) were all in pretty decent shape, partly because of the national selection a couple of months ago. Given that the basic info on the song, venue etc. had already been added, it's hard to think what more information there can be than 'so and so won, with x many points, and here's a scoreboard'. The one unexpected event (stage invasion) has a prose update, albeit currently uncited. Modest Genius ^talk 19:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Yeah the articles are in better enough shape, but the "ITN rules" say that "the update must but a five sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) has generally been considered more than sufficient, while a one sentence update is considered extremely questionable." Now the update about the blurb per se on the article, not the side events such as the stage invasion, is only a single sentence. If only a single sentence can be added for everything that occurred in this event, I dunno why it's up there. –Howard the Duck 04:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Death of Dennis Hopper

- Nom - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 18:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. A famous actor but not notable enough for ITN treatment. And his death was expected. --Mkativerata (talk) 18:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

In general, ITN only features obituaries for heads of state, former heads of state and other extremely important people. As a rule of thumb, most "celebrities" won't get on and nor should they in most cases. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:05, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I'm sorry but Dennis Hopper is not a simple celebrity, he is a key figure in the history of cinematography, as a director, actor and generally as an artist. The LEAD of the article is simply not good enough at the moment to establish his importance, but I would say his notability is very high. --Elekhh (talk) 22:39, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I agree that he was important enough within his field to meet that part of the guideline; Easy Rider alone warrants that. However, the guidelines also say that the death has to be "unexpected or tragic". I'm not sure what "or tragic" means, surely a death is always tragic for those closest to the diseased. But his death was certainly not unexpected; he was 74 and diagnosed with terminal cancer months ago. Lampman (talk) 23:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support. I've thought about this and was expecting to oppose but now I've changed my mind. After reading about him I would agree with Elekhh as he doesn't sound like a "simple celebrity". He seems very highly regarded internationally as an artist/actor/director/photographer and so on (I don't know how many careers this man had but the focus is certainly more on these than his personal life).
  • He has obituaries by Xinhua, TIME and Al Jazeera.
  • France24 describes him as "an iconic big-screen emblem of US counterculture".
  • The Guardian describes some of the roles he had (they seem quite diverse) and calls him "one of the movie world's great outlaws".
  • CBC describes him as "the Hollywood elder statesman".
  • The Times calls him an "icon of counterculture cinema".
  • Rolling Stone says he "put his fingerprints on a series of iconic, era-defining pictures".

The age and "expected death" has not counted against others in the past if they are important enough. Many have been diseased and much older than 74. J.D Salinger is a good example of someone who was older (91) and of an artistic nature. Who are the other top people in Hopper's professions whose deaths would feature on ITN? --candle•wicke 03:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Knock on wood, but how about Steven Spielberg, Clint Eastwood, Sean Connery, Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Jack Nicholson, Michael Caine & Paul Newman? IMO, Hopper doesn't cut it for ITN. Might've been more supportive if he had died in an accident while filming and his death killed a high profile project. --PFHLai (talk) 06:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

What you're saying just demonstrates the Wiki article is not good enough to presents Hopper's notability. According to my readings he has a much stronger place in the history of cinematography than all those you mentioned. Particularly as a director you cannot compare him to "only" actors. Finally, I don't understand why premature, accidental or violent death would add to his notability. --Elekhh (talk) 08:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Hmmm, the first name on my list is obviously not an actor. The second one is both a director and actor, and much more notable than Hopper in either role. BTW, it's not just based on the wikiarticles, but also my decades of watching movies. IMO, Hopper is notable but not that notable. If you want a sports analogy, he would get a few votes to get to the Baseball Hall of Fame, but not enough to actually get voted in. Just my two cents. --PFHLai (talk) 18:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

BTW, "premature, accidental or violent death" would not add to his notability, but add to the newsworthiness of the death. A death of significance is more likely to get my support for ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 18:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support per Elekhh. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose, not really notable enough IMO. Modest Genius ^talk 14:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support Not notable? He was an extraordinarily iconic cultural figure...and his manner of death is not important. ITN is not a news service. Train wrecks that effect hardly anyone go right in, but an iconic figure whose article is in decent shape is blocked. ITN is really losing the plot. RxS (talk) 18:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support A clear case where, whatever guidance suggests his death should not feature in ITN, that guidance should be ignored. Leaky Caldron 18:42, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Neutral Frankly, the fact that still now, well after the event in Wikipedia terms, his article still has nothing to say about the reaction to, or impact of, his death other than the pure mechanics of it, carries more weight as to whether it should go up on ITN or not, than any subjective ideas about whether he really was in the top echelon of his field or not, which, when compared even to Jack Nicholson who is just one year younger, I am not so sure of at all. I could be persuaded to support if/when anybody writes a half decent paragraph to this effect, but as it is now, it's an oppose. MickMacNee (talk) 19:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

He seems to be mentioned alongside Jack Nicholson in some of the sources so if Nicholson is notable enough then why not Hopper? And Paul Newman is already dead. --candle•wicke 22:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Nicholson won three Academy Awards, three BAFTAs, has an AFI Lifetime Achievement award. Hopper had exactly zero. Not to mention that Nicholson is the most nominated actor in the history of the Academy Awards and has received nominations in 5 different decades. That is not remotely an apt comparison. --Smashville^talk 21:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)reply

That's not remotely an apt way to measure the achievemenets of an "icon of counterculture cinema". --Elekhh (talk) 21:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)reply

It's also not an apt way to measure the volume of motor oil in a balloon. Neither one was what I was doing. --Smashville^talk 21:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)reply

Pacaya eruption

- The Guatemala Volcano causes 2 deaths 8 - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 13:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support except I would also mention the volcano erupting in Ecuador as well. 9 I suggest the headline: The Pacaya volcano in Guatamala and the Tungurahua volcano in Ecuador erupt, forcing thousand to evacuate.

They are entirely unconnected events, so even if both are featured, they should have separate blurbs. Thue | talk 15:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

If they both erupt now couldn't we just mention in addition that they are separate events? __meco (talk) 15:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

That would work too, I guess. Thue | talk 15:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Pacaya seems to have sufficient global coverage (it's near the capital), Tungurahua less so. Both articles need updating but, in principle, I support. Physchim62 (talk) 16:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support Pacaya, for now. Update required. Combining the blurb with the Agatha storm would be a nice thing to do. --Tone 21:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Pacaya's update could use more sources, as well. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:57, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for May 28

Cancellation of External debt of Haiti

Can't get any more international than this. Article needs an update, though. --PFHLai (talk) 07:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support once updated. --Mkativerata (talk) 07:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Actually now that I've put a short update in the article, I'm not sure. The value of the debt waiver was only $36 million. That's not exactly much. --Mkativerata (talk) 07:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose, tiny amount actually cancelled in this event. Modest Genius ^talk 14:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support(!) Come on! :-( The amount depends on your perspective. Haiti wouldn't exactly refuse $36 million at this time. It is amazing how 36 million of anything could be considered a "tiny" amount. --candle•wicke 22:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

36 million US dollars isn't really that much. That's roughly the cost of one hospital, a supermarket's worth of stock, or for a worrying bit of perspective one major sporting star. In business or international aid terms, it's nothing. A larger debt than this was waived by Italy alone in the immediate aftermath of the quake, whilst. Approximately 100 times as much was pledged in post-earthquake aid according to our article, and that doesn't even include all the charitable appeals. Modest Genius ^talk 23:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Moratorium on logging in Indonesia announced

• Updated the article on Deforestation in Indonesia but could be further improved. I believe is a quite significant international agreement with global implications. (Al Jazeera), (NY Times), (ABC), (The Norway Post), (The Jakarta Post) --Elekhh (talk) 04:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. It seems significant enough. It involves Norway. And it is $1 billion. And with 300 football fields of rainforests disappearing every hour in Indonesia this must be quite an important development. --candle•wicke 19:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. Thue (talk) 18:27, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, seems significant. However, the blurb needs to state this is a moratorium on new logging permits, not on all logging. Modest Genius ^talk 14:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, an important step forward for improving the world's climate. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 14:09, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment Why hasn't this been posted? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:09, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• The update is three sentences long. For me, that's why I haven't posted it. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 17:41, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Ditto. give me a paragraph and a blurb and I'll put it up if Brad doesn't beat me to it, but 3 sentences isn't sufficient. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:45, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. Suggested blurb: "Indonesia agrees to a moratorium on logging in the country in a letter of intent signed with Norway to curb palm oil production". ~AH1^(TCU) 21:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Instead of the palm oil I would rather mention the $1 billion. This is a major precedent where a country pays a large sum to another country to avoid deforestation. --Elekhh (talk) 23:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support with any blurb is about time to be posted. The article has been substantially improved over the last days. --Elekhh (talk) 05:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Gary Coleman Dead

He was quite famous so i will nominate him. i believe this will be big news at least in North America and any country where Diff'rent Strokes ran one time or another. He did make "What'choo talkin' 'bout" famous. Also this was an unexpected death -- Ashish-g55 20:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Does not in my view meet the narrow criteria for deaths. I would call him a "very important figure" in his field. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Untimely death, but non-notable outside of his specific stardom.--WaltCip (talk) 20:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Sad, but not ITN material. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Suppose. As an actor who attained fame as a child, and with the media focus that has been on him throughout, I think this nomination deserves the ITN spot. __meco (talk) 09:39, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Haha..! I meant to write "support". __meco (talk) 15:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose - don't think he was quite notable enough. Sad, though.  f o x  09:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Strong Oppose Does not reach the level of notability. Reporting deaths on ITN is rightfully reserved for heads of state/government and takes an extremely high level of notability if a person is not. Martin Luther King, Jr. would be notable enough. Gary Coleman most certainly is not. Save it for his blurb on Current Events. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 14:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose, not sufficiently notable. Modest Genius ^talk 14:08, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Lahore attack

Almost as close in count (though still ongoing) to today's India attack. ITN-worthy. although it is still ongoing and stuff will change, more sources will come in due course. After than (say a few hours) it should be ripe for ITNLihaas (talk) 10:59, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Noting special, unfortunately another one long series of such events. Saw it live. --yousaf465' 13:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

That seems quite a high death toll for such an event. I might support if someone were to write a decent article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - approx. same death toll as Indian train derailment. --92.19.110.236 (talk) 13:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. Oppose? omg--DAI (Δ) 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Actually I'm concerned about the numbers of vandal edits it will generate, this attack is a really sensitive issue. It not just another attack which can posted without generating any controversy. First of all you can't call these place of worship as "Mosque" under the definition of Mosque. Pakistani media called it "Ahmadiyya's place of worship. If we do it here they will complain and that will be just a tip of ice berg. You may compare it with Judaism vs Christianity issue. So I think we can leave it for the wikinews only. Avoid any controversial content on Main Page. --yousaf465' 15:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Vandalism is not a good motive for not posting something. If it was, we'd have to scrap the TFA altogether. Besides, it would be like giving into them and it can always be semi protected if need be. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It not only the Vandalism, nor semi protection only will do, it such a controversial topic I think we should avoid on Main page. Abortion debate might be close enough. --yousaf465' 16:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

User above insinuating implied fatwa. Nutmegger (talk) 20:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support May 2010 Lahore attacks, but only after sourcing improves (i.e, URLs or titles must be provided for citations; it is not enough simply to identify the news outlet and the date). -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 17:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support big attack. definitely ITN worthy--Wikireader41 (talk) 18:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. "Just" another terrorist attack, but a big one. Thue | talk 23:26, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Posted given that the article has been improved and the nomination has near-unanimous support. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Attabad lake is going to spill over today

So lets prepare the article. --yousaf465' 07:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It was going to spill over the other day. Can we refrain from nominating events that haven't happened? Especially when there's no guarantee it's even going to happen. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:21, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

At 6 in the morning water was 2 feets from the spillway, currently the time is 8 in the evening, so if estimates are correct it is just 4 inches from the spillway. It has already displaced a very large population. --yousaf465' 15:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• I checked the websites of CNN, the BBC, and Al Jazeera, and none had information on this event. Oppose ~DC _{Talk To Me} 16:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Although there was no need for links for these sites, I think local media has enough material on this, but anyway I found these Pakistan villages 'at risk' of lake flooding Dated Tuesday, 11 May 2010, Pakistan Hunza lake 'to overflow within days' Monday, 17 May 2010 and for Aj New lake threatens havoc in Pakistan May 14th, 2010. Update Lake is now overflowing form the spillway.--yousaf465' 04:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• yousaf465 merely urges us to prepare for a likely ITN item. I did the same when the first ash clouds from Iceland started to approach Northern Norway, and perhaps some of you remember that we did mention that ash thing on ITN subsequent to that. On the other hand I also nominated Everybody Draw Mohammed Day preemptively which didn't make it. __meco (talk) 09:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Gyaneshwari Express derailment

• support as per such big terror attacks being ITN-worthy.Lihaas (talk) 04:12, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Nominated under yesterday's date. --candle•wicke 04:13, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It happened today (1:30am)(Lihaas (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Maoists blasted rail tracks in West Bengal, derailing 13 coaches of a train. Later, a goods train hits 5 of the derailed coaches, killing scores of people and injuring hundreds. This was the second attack on civilians by the rebels this month. The last one was the Naugachia Incident (Hindu) http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article440228.ece (Hindu) ---- Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 06:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support as the BBC are now reporting at least 65 deaths. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• The article is wrong. the main article is : 2010 West Bengal Train Derailment. I recommend a merge of these articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatiraju.rishabh (talk • contribs) 07:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply
  • The article has been moved, and is now at 2010 Gyaneshwari Express derailment. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support major story, and would certainly be worthy had it occurred in the US or Europe. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 07:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

  Can we please stop responding to biased arguments that no one makes? It certainly would be worthy no matter where it happened; no one has opposed this item, let alone opposed it because it didn't happen in the U.S. or Europe. -- tariqabjotu 09:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

  Can we please post things that happen outside the US and Europe as promptly as those that do. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

  We do our best. As soon as we have an item with sufficient support and an update in accordance with ITN criteria and an admin is available to post it, it goes up. I try to make myself as available as I can, but I can't be on 24 hours a day. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

  There are several steps for an item getting onto ITN. First, the event has to happen (May 27, 20:30 UTC). Then, someone has to nominate it (didn't happen until May 28, 04:12 UTC). Then people have to support it (first support didn't seem to come until May 28, 06:15 UTC). The article has to be updated somewhere in there, and then someone has to post it (came at 09:15, May 28). So, essentially, I posted it three hours after the first corroborating support. On the other hand, no one, including yourself, nominated the event until eight hours after it happened. No one, including yourself, supported it until two hours after the event was nominated. And you didn't lend your support until three hours after the event was nominated and 10+ hours after the event happened. But, I got the item up within three hours of some decent support coming in. So... I'm not sure what you're complaining about. That is timely. And if the event had been nominated during the daylight hours of the UK or the US, I'm sure it would have gone up even faster. If there's a geographical problem here somewhere, it's that much of the Anglosphere was asleep when the item was nominated. But even that wasn't an issue, because it was posted within the acceptable amount of time that a non-ITNR event would be put on ITN. The geographical bias claims you're making here are demonstrably false. -- tariqabjotu 17:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

  The crash actually happened sometime in the middle evening UK time, late afternoon in USA - the delay is more down to the time it took for news of it come in if anything, due to it happening in the middle of the night local time and in the middle of nowhere. MickMacNee (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

  Yes, I recognized that. -- tariqabjotu 00:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support as above, as terrorism was involved it looks to be more ITN worthy than the recent derailment in China, which was posted. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support Just another vote, otherwise it's quite obvious. --yousaf465' 07:49, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support. make it quicker--DAI (Δ) 08:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Posted -- tariqabjotu 09:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for May 27

Boeing X-51 sets record

Boeing X-51 an unmanned scramjet sets hypersonic speed record by flying at mach 6 for 200 seconds.(AFP), (CSM)--Wikireader41 (talk) 02:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Are you sure its a speed record? NASA X-43 seems to have gone much faster. I believe the record here is 'longest', and that doesn't sound nearly as impressive, as this thing is meant to travel for an hour apparently, and the X-43 already went for 12 seconds. Given the testing program, there will be records like this all the time methinks. MickMacNee (talk) 03:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

the record was duration of the flight at hypersonic speed. I took them 10 years to go from 10 s flight to 200 s flight. methinks we wont have records like this all the time.--Wikireader41 (talk) 13:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Gyaneshwari Express train bombing

• 15 dead, many more feared dead, in a suspected Naxalite train bombing, derailing an express sleeper which was then hit by a goods train. MickMacNee (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support ITN worthy - good quick work with the article although suggest using a few more sources. --Mkativerata (talk) 01:53, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. The Russian theatre bombing is ready if anyone wants to post it. --candle•wicke 04:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Barack Obama adopts a new National Security Strategy

Article needs some work but it seems to be a topic of international significance. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Oppose I don't see any evidence offered of international significance, and reading the article, it's a 'meh' from me. I'm sure that the international community isn't that surprised really, and it seems the media are far more interested in slamming him for not comforting in person the out of work fishermen down in old miss. MickMacNee (talk) 22:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Eh, "national security strategy"? Therefore, opposing. --candle•wicke 23:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

first line in article says a document prepared periodically, hence oppose. -- Ashish-g55 01:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Vanuatu earthquake

7.2 magnitude earthquake - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 18:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Opppose The article and news sources don't say anything of interest has even happened yet. MickMacNee (talk) 22:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Deepwater Horizon oil spill stopped?

According to the government official in charge, the oil has stopped spewing 10. It may be diligent to wait for confirmation of some kind though (by BP or the Obama administration). ~DC _{Talk To Me} 15:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. A close reading of the article indicates that this solution is not permanent and may fail over the next few days.--WaltCip (talk) 15:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose It is a big and ongoing news story, but I don't think it deserves reposting. We would be featuring the same article as last time. Physchim62 (talk) 15:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I'll support, but only when there's a permanent solution and everyone's certain it's fixed. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I'd support a sticky link for the oil spill until it disappears from the news. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Apple, Inc. overtakes Microsoft

Pretty big business story. __meco (talk) 14:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

BBC report: Apple passes Microsoft to be biggest tech company. TFOWR^propaganda 14:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

i would have supported if the numbers were based on revenue. these are based market capital hence share prices. which dont mean squat. volkswagen couple years ago became biggest company in the world because its shares jumped over 1k for few moments. a simple multiplication of share value doesnt show how big a company is... its always inflated for tech companies anyways oppose -- Ashish-g55 14:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support a very big technology story, Apple and Microsoft have been rivals for years and for Apple to take the lead in market cap is impressive. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Do we put this up every time shifts in the market reverse this? They're close enough now- 3 billion USD before today, less now- that this could easily oscillate over the next month many times. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. No need to put this up every time (and nobody would suggest we do that). Just once per Eraserhead1. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. But if we publish it this one time, what would make it more significant than - say - Microsoft overtaking Apple about one year into the future?--WaltCip (talk) 05:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Because Apple has been the underdog for 20 years, and 10 years ago was only worth $5 billion or something. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:21, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Tom Cruise, Twilight saga win big in London

Tom Cruise poses for photographers with his Screen Icon award at the National Movie Awards at the Royal Festival Hall in London on Wednesday. The actor was presented with the award by Gwyneth Paltrow. Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 10:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Oppose. Actors posing for photographers with awards is not newsworthy! Physchim62 (talk) 10:15, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Oppose. Come on, people. --Smashville^talk 14:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Oppose. Don't even try to bring that here.--WaltCip (talk) 15:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• I'm not sure I understand this. Is it the photo? The award? The presenter of the award? The Royal Festival Hall? Or just because it is Tom Cruise? Either way I can see nothing to support at the moment. --candle•wicke 23:15, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Lee Dewyze wins the American Idol title.

It was a very close contest but Lee Dewyze walked away with the American Idol title, beating fellow contestant Crystal Bowersox. Lee, a paint salesman, became the American Idol Finale 2010 Winner with 51% votes. (OneIndia)Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 10:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. We don't feature domestic contests. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I'm not supporting but I wanted to register my opposition to any kind of fixed rule like "We don't feature domestic contests." We have more readers in the US than in Europe, so if Eurovision gets on I don't think American Idol should be rejected out of hand. Nonetheless, Idol doesn't get the kind of attention it used to, so I won't support for now. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I really don't see any similarity between a TV show and an international contest of any kind which has occurred annually for more than 50 years. The article on Eurovision Song Contest even states "Eligibility to participate is not determined by geographic inclusion within the continent of Europe, despite the "Euro" in "Eurovision" — nor does it have any relation to the European Union. Several countries geographically outside the boundaries of Europe have competed: Israel, Cyprus, Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan in Western Asia, since 1973, 1981, 2006, 2007 and 2008 respectively; and Morocco, in North Africa, in the 1980 competition alone. In addition, Turkey and Russia, which are both transcontinental countries with most of their territory outside of Europe, have competed respectively since 1975 and 1994.26" The inclusion of Russia in particular ought to solve any dispute between the two concerning population size and land area. --candle•wicke 23:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

And all those countries put together contribute far fewer readers of this page than do the US and Canada. That's not to say Eurovision shouldn't go up, only that we shouldn't dismiss its closest North American relation out of hand. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• • • • Eurovision is a cultural icon with 50+ years; Idols are spam-driven from the broadcaster, the other thing is that only uncontracted people can do Idols. Oppose we don't need tons of Indian or Chinese Idol all over the place YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I oppose as it's not significant enough, however it compares with Eurovision; but I'd point out that the statement that 'we don't post domestic contests' is simply wrong--e.g. we post the Super Bowl. Also, American Idol certainly has fans outside the U.S. so saying it's a mere domestic concern understates its significance.--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:43, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Yeah. International interest in this "domestic" contest is way too understated. –Howard the Duck 07:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I did the same search for "2010 Eurovision" in those same countries (replaced Ireland w/c participates in Eurovision with the U.S.) and I came up with this. –Howard the Duck 07:25, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Maybe that is because the 2010 Eurovision song contest hasn't happened yet, Howard. Then again, best not to let the truth get in the way of a good argument... --Daviessimo (talk) 18:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

i didn't know that the semifinal wasn't a part of the contest. –Howard the Duck 02:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Just a reality show with declining ratings. Depending on the ratings results, may not even have been the highest rated results show that night. --Smashville^talk 18:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Russia Bomb Blast - 2010 Stavropol bomb blast -

6 killed and 16 critically wounded in a bomb blast in Stavropol, Russia.(Reuters), (BBC)--Wikireader41 (talk) 08:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support when expanded. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Article is now sufficient imo, but if i were to post it, I'd like to see a few more supports. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Eh, how likely is it that this will be noticed? Two days have passed. --candle•wicke 03:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. It is definitely time to start demanding the existence of ITN valid content before nomination - never mind evidence of international significane, this 'article' is two sentences long and has not even been touched in over 12 hours. MickMacNee (talk) 23:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Maybe it has not been touched because it is not very visible? Hopefully it is more valid now, though it might not have been if it hadn't been nominated here. Support because it is an unusual incident, on a theatre in an area which is not used to such bombings. At least 7 people die and at least 40 others are injured after a bomb explodes before a performance in Stavropol. --candle•wicke 00:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Another extinction

Another victim of Iraq war, Iraqi Airways will be classified as extincted form now onwards. Saddam had it at least running. --yousaf465' 07:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. We don't generally run airline bankrupcies, as they are far too common. You would need to show some sort of global significance for this to go up. Physchim62 (talk) 10:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. I would say this and this is ample evidence that this was no ordinary or run of the mill airline failure. And it unsurprisingly getting cross continental news coverage. MickMacNee (talk) 13:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

The article to update would be Iraq–Kuwait relations which is, at the moment, pathetic. I stand by my opposition. Physchim62 (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

They are all pathetic, at least the ones that haven't been dragged kicking and screaming through Afd anyway, only to emerge the other side resembling just a laundry list of trivia. Most of these relations articles have only been created recently, by one editor, and not for any reason that they were needed, and it frankly really shows in most of them. Argentina - Britain is an other chuckle-fest of 'wtf is this?'. MickMacNee (talk) 23:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

TV Brasil Internacional

• Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (pictured) launches TV Brasil Internacional, a Portuguese language television station aimed at 49 African nations. --candle•wicke 03:16, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Weak oppose. A new TV station is not really newsworthy. I realise that TVBI is meant to become the next Al-Jazeera, but it's a bit CRYSTAL-balling to say that it will. Until then, it's just another international TV station, of which there are dozens. Physchim62 (talk) 10:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support Targetted at half of Africa, that's pretty ambitious and encompassing without the need for speculations. __meco (talk) 14:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Propaganda stations like VTV4 are nothing out of the ordinary. These ones are always free and you can catch them with a strong antenna, so 1 or 200 countries, it is nothing remarkable YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for May 26

Alaotra Grebe is extinct

The Alaotra Grebe, a grebe endemic to Madagascar, is declared extinct. (BBC) The article has been updated, but not significantly expanded. I think this is worth posting (the last confirmed extinction of a bird species was in 2008) once the article is expanded more. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:41, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support Excellent choice for an ITN. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support All mammal and bird extinctions should go on ITN. __meco (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support, this is a type of encyclopedic news that is fit for ITN. --Tone 21:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support Concur with above. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:07, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Posting, but it would be nice if someone could add a little more detail than "it's extinct". I think that's outweighed by the staleness of ITN, though. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

One more support (just in case). An extinction is a good enough reason. --candle•wicke 02:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support for the story, but strong oppose for an article with so little new materials added to it. Would've preferred that we waited till after the article has grown a bit more. --PFHLai (talk) 02:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Atlantis completes final mission

• Space Shuttle Atlantis completes its final scheduled mission after landing at Kennedy Space Center, Florida.
  • Ends of manned space missions are typically notable enough, this one even moreso. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 16:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Oppose. There are two more scheduled final launches and landings, all for this year, and it is not even a certainty that this was this Orbiter's final mission. At this rate, nobody is actually going to give a monkeys when the final final mission happens. MickMacNee (talk) 17:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose, because we already posted the fact that it was the final mission when it was launched last week. No need to post it again. Modest Genius ^talk 18:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support The Space Shuttle era is coming to an end. Let's salute it 'til it's all gone. __meco (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose, let's mention it when the last shuttle completes the mission. Atlantis was mentioned at the launch already. --Tone 21:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for May 25

Surinamese legislative election, 2010

Parliamentary elections in Suriname - Dumelow (talk) 15:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)reply

Article is obviously sub-par at the moment, I will attempt to take a look at it some time today. Don't know when the results will be out yet - Dumelow (talk) 09:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Preliminary results show former dictator Dési Bouterse winning a plurality of seats. No news on when final results are to be expected - Dumelow (talk) 19:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Results are in now. --PFHLai (talk) 02:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)reply

North Korea is to cut all relations with South Korea

Pyongyang's official news agency reports that the North was also expelling all South Korean workers from a jointly-run factory north of the border. South Korea says it plans to refer North Korea to the UN Security Council, and is seeking a unified international response to the incident. ---- Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 15:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10156834.stm ---- Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 15:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

The source has problems, it's not a single factory.--Nutriveg (talk) 15:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Korean crisis - we need a new article. Those developments can't go all into the sinking article--DAI (Δ) 16:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

How about updating/expanding North Korea – South Korea relations? --PFHLai (talk) 00:51, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

That article should cover a lot of ground... and considering its current state, it would require a lot of work to get it up to ITN standards IMHO. I like DAI's idea. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 02:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Severe heat wave sweeps Maharashtra, India. 28 deaths reported.

At least 28 deaths were reported in Maharashtra as temperature reach 50 degree Celsius. ---Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Air India services halt as workers strike

13,000 Air India workers strike halting all services. All domestic flights after 12:00 IST (UTC+5:30) have been cancelled. All except some international flights of Air India Express have been cancelled. Air India officials say that soon the conditions would get better and the services will run smoothly.The strike woke up after the recent Mangalore Air Crash -- Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 13:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Industrial disputes are not uncommon by any measure- the same thing is currently happening to British Airways. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Kingston unrest

Deaths are reported in fighting in Kingston, Jamaica, as authorities try to arrest Christopher Coke, an alleged drug lord.--DAI (Δ) 12:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support the BBC has just reported that at least 27 civilians have been killed there 11. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support This is a pretty major government operation taking place. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 18:19, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

For the record, this can't go up with that orange tag on it. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Well it's not postable anyway atm- it needs expanding and I'm sure the sourcing issues will be addressed with that. I took the yellow tag off though. Then got annoyed with it and sent it to TfD! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support - article still needs work but seems to have been expanded with more sources. Scanlan (talk) 21:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support Article is looking a lot better, and the situation continues to be in the news as the siege continues. Random89 00:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply
• Support. Hopefully I have improved it further. At least 44 civilians are killed and at least 37 others are wounded during unrest in Kingston, Jamaica. --candle•wicke 04:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)reply

warsaw floods

oppose already had a c. Europe on the ITN page, and its also not news if they "prepare" for anything. nothing had happened.Lihaas (talk) 06:48, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Train Derails in Naugachia, India. No fatalities reported.

A train derails in Naugachia, India. No fatalities reported. Train derailed as the driver applied emergency brakes after he heard a loud explosion. 14 coaches of Delhi-Guwahati Rajdhani Superfast Express derailed. - Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 08:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Main Article: 2010 Naugachia train derailment - Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 08:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose unless there's some major new development in this story it's closer to AfD than ITN. —Ed Cormany (talk) 10:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose India has the world's largest rail stock and it also has disproportionally many accidents. This seems like a minor incident. We even had a similar derailment here in Norway during the last week which no one has even bothered writing a Wikipedia article about. __meco (talk) 10:44, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Very minor incident. Nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 Naugachia train derailment. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for May 24

Egyptian archeologists unearth 57 ancient tombs

Discovery, Google News-- I can't find an article but it seems to be an interesting find and might be an interesting history-related posting.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Lahoun? I can't find the article, either. Faiyum, Faiyum Oasis and probably Second dynasty of Egypt could use some new materials, I suppose. --PFHLai (talk) 03:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

South Korea halts trade with North Korea

As a development on the sinking of the ROKS Cheonan the South has frozen trade. Trade between the two is responsible for 13% of the North's GDP ($1.68 billion). The measures have been described as "about as tough a response as the South could take, short of military action", Japan is also considering sanctions. Foreign_relations_of_South_Korea#Economic_relations would seem to be the place but that article is poor, perhaps there is somewhere else? - Dumelow (talk) 11:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support - Trade embargos are a big deal, and as you said, it's the most severe sanction that can be imposed short of an invasion. Knowing that North Korea vowed war in response to punishment, this could unfold into some greater calamity.--WaltCip (talk) 14:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. The are massive interests in S Korea that suffer from any flair up in intra-peninsular relations (the stock markets suffer, Korean currency is hit, etc). Thus a major action by S Korea is a big deal.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

My suggestion:

• South Korea suspends all trade with North Korea as a response to the sinking of the ROKS Cheonan.

The "Reaction" section of the bolded ROKS Cheonan sinking article is the obvious place to put it IMO, but it needs to be updated first. Thue | talk 15:28, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Strong support this is a strong response from South Korea that could lead to something really big. --PlasmaTwa2 18:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

 Administrator note I'm not seeing much of an update... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It's "most" not "all" the Kaesong industrial area near the DMZ that's excluded from this.--Nutriveg (talk) 18:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support I've put an updated in ROKS Cheonan sinking#Reaction. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Note for posting - none of the reliable sources say that "all trade" has been suspended so we can't say it in the blurb. I would suggest something like "South Korea restricts trade with North Korea and announces joint naval training exercises with the United States in response to the sinking of the ROKS Cheonan." --Mkativerata (talk) 19:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Update looks good, so posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:48, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

(edit conflict) Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Er... posted. -- tariqabjotu 19:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Attabad lake going to overflow in a few days/ hours time

My third nomination in a single day. The lake is going to overflow any time soon, we don't have article yet, but it is a major disaster in making. A large number of people have been displaced. Google news --yousaf465' 08:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• I would like to support the news for Attabad lake but there is not even an article for this newly created natural lake. I think this newly created natural lake on January 4, 2010 should have had an article by now. --GPPande 10:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply
  • I have started the article for the same. Maybe you can join in and add some more stuff to make it ITN-ready. --GPPande 10:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Wait till the lake actually bursts ( but get the article ready)--Wikireader41 (talk) 14:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support I'm not so sure we should wait. May 27 is the predicted date the dam will yield. This is probably a news story people will want to follow from now and until the breach. __meco (talk) 14:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Article needs to update, anyone interested may contact me for any info required. --yousaf465' 16:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose nothing's happened. Wait til something happens that most people care about. This isn't Lake Michigan or Lake Como bursting. ~DC _{Talk To Me} 17:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose. As I keep repeating, 'going to' is NOT a story. Wait until something actually happens. Modest Genius ^talk 20:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

That is what we are saying, prepare the article and then wait for it's bursting, although it's not Lake Michigan already it has displaced enough people. It been regarded as major disaster here. --yousaf465' 02:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It is not correct that nothing has happened. Dozens of upstream villages have already been inundated. __meco (talk) 10:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

FFS if you have reliable info the add it to the articles! at present, there is minimal WP content to flag on the main page. Physchim62 (talk) 16:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Trinidad and Tobago general election, 2010

• Seems like a no-brainer for ITN, as long as the article gets properly updated with official voting data (not exit polls) and some referenced prose on the outcomes. (Ditto for yesterday's Ethiopian general election, 2010, but someone should work on it.) --PFHLai (talk) 06:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

strong support as per the 3 elections yesterday too. Although the Philippines elections for some reason was overlooked. Really that hould be up there too.Lihaas (talk) 22:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

The "official" result for the Philippine election will be known at mid-June at the latest. It's almost certain that there'll be a good enough update by then. This was what I was talking about when I said that will take a long time before the result would be known. –Howard the Duck 16:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It's not about support, it's about having an article of sufficient quality. Once the results are in and the article is adequate, it's almost certain to go up, but it won't go up if nobody updates the article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Hence my post here, hoping to get the attention of editors interested in current events-related wikiarticles. PM Patrick Manning has conceded defeat, and Kamla Persad-Bissessar is slated to take office as the first female PM of T&T. This story should be ITN material. --PFHLai (talk) 03:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Yes OK, it does need an update though before it can go on the Main Page. --candle•wicke 04:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

With the first Trinidadian female Prime Minister, this is probably more notable than the Dominican election. But the article definitely requires at least a table typically found in legislative election articles with vote totals and changes by party. --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 18:15, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. I've done an update so it might be ready to go up. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Do you happen to have a blurb in mind? -- tariqabjotu 21:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

How about... "The People's Partnership wins a general election in Trinidad and Tobago; Kamla Persad-Bissessar is set to become the country's first female Prime Minister." The catch is that she doesn't become Prime Minister until she's sworn in, but the sources are happy to say she has been "elected". --Mkativerata (talk) 21:17, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Posted -- tariqabjotu 21:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Asian Baseball Cup

Final is taking place between Pakistan and Hong Kong. Rest is gibberish to me. User:Howard the Duck understands better.BaseballdeWorld--yousaf465' 06:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose as this is not a premier event in the world of baseball. For ITN, let's stick with the World Series, the World Baseball Classic and maybe the Baseball World Cup. Where's the wikiarticle, anyway? --PFHLai (talk) 06:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Can't say anything, don't know more. Should I create one similar to Asian Baseball Championship ? . --yousaf465' 07:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

You'd know it's a crappy tournament if an Asian baseball final didn't include teams from among Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China. –Howard the Duck 10:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Can't add anything to the above. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 10:54, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose'. My first thought was Howard's.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Hey at least it's more "international" than the "World" Series... ;) –Howard the Duck 13:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

At least the World Series is actually a top-tier event in baseball. Considering the players' nationalities instead of the teams' addresses, the World Series is more international than the Finals in the *National* Basketball Association. --PFHLai (talk) 19:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Gotta blame the Celtics for having an all-American roster. –Howard the Duck 03:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Gotta love the Raptors for having 3 European starters! --PFHLai (talk) 03:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Yeah but they suck so bad they haven't even reached the Conference Finals so they can't be at the "N"BA Finals... –Howard the Duck 03:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

The Flyers suck, too, but they're going to the "N"HL Finals! --PFHLai (talk) 04:19, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I think teh Flyers have more Canadians than Americans on their roster so for the non-initiated that seems international. –Howard the Duck 04:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Australia gets into action

Expels diplomats on charges of passport forgery.Herald Sun.reuters --yousaf465' 03:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose As happy as I am to see this decision made, it's not in my view significant enough to ITN. Asking Israel to withdraw a diplomat is fairly low down the "we're angry with you" scale of diplomatic messages. It's not like the ambassador was kicked out. --Mkativerata (talk) 03:16, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It seems to be turning into Lillehammer affair II. --yousaf465' 03:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose certainly not ITN worthy. diplomats getting expelled is not that notable.--Wikireader41 (talk) 14:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Comment:' Diplomat ' ?, what Diplomat? Not exactly the Petrov Affair is it? --220.101.28.25 (talk) 20:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Oppose Token gesture. Countries withdraw their own ambassadors all teh time YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for May 23

Nagorno-Karabakh parliamentary election, 2010

support as per all election results on the front page. if little mauritus/maldives gets on then these little states too. (with the results obviously) Lihaas (talk) 21:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Non-recognized country. The only partially-recognized states I'll support are the Republics of China and Kosovo. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:01, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose Not sufficiently recognised as independent to warrant ITN treatment. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I'd like to note that a Maldives one went up because they were the first democratic elections since the country gained independence. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 22:23, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Never mind the fact that both the Maldives and Mauritius are widely (universally?) recognized as independent countries. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:25, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. It thinks it is independent and who am I to argue. "More than 70 international observers are supervising the polls" and there is enough interest for several countries to call it "illegal". Source --candle•wicke 01:39, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

By the way, what is the reason for supporting the Republics of China and Kosovo but not others (out of curiosity)? :-) --candle•wicke 01:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I can't speak for BJB, but in my view: Taiwan is massive and its elections always get significant international coverage; and Kosovo's independence is well-recognised internationally.--Mkativerata (talk) 01:48, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Ah but Kosovo declared independence only two years ago and is not recognised by a significant proportion of the world, including several states in the European Union, several states in NATO and one of its neighbours. ROC is recognised by even less. --candle•wicke 02:04, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Mkativerata got it pretty well. Kosovo is recognized by three of the permanent five UNSC members, the Republic of China is de facto recognised by most major countries, though it is with a wink and a nod to please the People's Republic. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 02:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Does Wikipedia favour the UNSC? What is the definition of a major country and what is the alternative? I am missing why de facto applies in certain cases and de jure in others and who decides this. Perhaps there is a lot of winking and nodding? ;) --candle•wicke 02:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Nagorno-Karabakh is actually recognised according to list of states with limited recognition. --candle•wicke 01:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

It is recognised by one other "state", Transnistria, which isn't independent itself. --Mkativerata (talk) 01:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

But Transnistria declared independence 20 years ago and is itself recognised. --candle•wicke 01:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Only be two, also barely-recognized states. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 02:09, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

The two that recognise Transnistria are themselves recognised by (among others) Russia, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Nauru. Russia is certainly quite big (particularly if one considers Taiwan as "massive" - though I am not sure if this was a geographical reference by Mkativerata) and it's quite a bit bigger than Kosovo. --candle•wicke 02:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

IMHO the bigger distinction is both Transnistria and Nagorno-Karabakh are "Recognized by UN non-members only" regardless of who those UN non members are recognised by. Personally I would have no problem listing all "UN non-members recognized by at least one UN member". I'm actually not opposed to listing this either (I'm somewhat a believer in recognising the reality regardless of whether it is a good thing, e.g. thats one of the number of the reasons I support naming the article Myanmar not Burma) but IMHO there's a clear distinction between this and Kosovo, Taiwan and others like Abkhazia, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, South Ossetia, Northern Cyprus and the Palestinian Authority. Nil Einne (talk) 12:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

This debate reveals the ludicrousness of trying to determine what is news based on fixed rules, like "national elections are always newsworthy." The fact is, the article is crummy, there is very little interest among Wikipedia readers in the subject matter, and this election will get hardly any coverage in Anglosphere media. Whether this entity is a real country is not the issue. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Oppose - non-recognised state, poor article, no widespread international interest. Modest Genius ^talk 20:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Cannes Film Festival

Thai film Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives wins the Palme d'Or. This is WP:ITN/R. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. Plus, it's the first Asian movie to win the Palme d'Or since 1997. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 20:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support as above. Its a good news story too. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:41, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

 Administrator note a bit more prose would be nice. There's currently a short paragraph just before all the tables start, if that could be expanded (and possibly put in its own section) then it should be postable. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I've added some more prose and separated into its own section. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Looks OK to me. I suppose a free image would be overly optimistic? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

We have an image of the film's director, but it isn't really usable due to quality. Nothing else I can find. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:12, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

(ec) I suppose we could use the release poster for the movie under fair use but I wouldn't know where to get that. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

We can't use fair-use images on the main page, sorry. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Don't apologise, I think that's a good thing. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I quite like that image- I think the low quality makes it strangely artistic- so I cropped it and put it up. I prefer it to having a picture of a trophy up there anyway, but if it's no good, I can switch back. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:32, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

The image looks good: it is rubbish in its full size but is quite ok when cropped. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:34, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

That proves what rubbish my eyes are. That actually looks good at 100px. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Dominican Republic parliamentary election, 2010

The final results came in yesterday with the Dominican Liberation Party winning a majority in senate and the lower house. The article could use some more prose, I'll try to add some later today - Dumelow (talk) 10:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support as WP:ITN/R. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Blurb: "The Dominican Liberation Party retains a majority of seats in the Senate and Chamber of Deputies of the Dominican Republic"? - Dumelow (talk) 21:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

How about "increases its majority" - perhaps a bit more informative. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• I'm prepared to post this per ITN/R, but any chance of one more person commenting- especially on the vlurb- before I do so? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:40, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply
  • Well, I just got an edit conflict saying I was going to post it. It would be nice to get the words "general election" in there, but I can always tweak it after it goes up once I've thought of a better way of doing it! Just for the record, support. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply
    • Posted- I tried to get those words in there. Tweak to your heart's content. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:49, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

(Sorry because I suggested it) Should "increases its majority" be "increases its majorities"? --Mkativerata (talk) 21:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

You're probably right, I'll tweak it that way. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

"increases its majority" -- could we change the main page because majorities doesnt make sense. Lihaas (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I think the plural is required here. The government has two majorities: one in the Senate and the other in the Chamber of Thingies. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Cargo Ship MV Dubai Moon sinks in Gulf of Aden

Moved to #ITN candidates for May 21. --PFHLai (talk) 12:40, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

2010 Fuzhou train derailment

A passenger train derails in China - at least 10 deaths, scores are injured in critical condition. 12 - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 06:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Weak oppose. Doesn't seem particularly ITN-worthy to me but others might let us know if derailments of this kind are regularly included. In other news, a bus crash in China killed 32 people.13 --Mkativerata (talk) 07:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support the Halle train collision and 2010 Merano train derailment were posted on ITN, and according to List of rail accidents (2000–2009) its the most serious rail accident, in terms of passenger deaths, in China since 2008 and the second most serious since 2000. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 08:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support if the examples above went up this should too. --Mkativerata (talk) 08:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support. Definitely. The one in Washington killed only four people and was included. --candle•wicke 09:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

No problems posting it, but as is, it is currently too short. Can it be expanded more? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 09:16, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Done. A passenger train travelling from Shanghai to Guilin derails in a mountainous area near Fuzhou, Jiangxi. --candle•wicke 10:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

You've got the piping to the city wrong - it should be: A passenger train travelling from Shanghai to Guilin derails in a mountainous area near Fuzhou, Jiangxi. . -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Great catch. Posted. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 10:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

(edit conflict) Um... the layout of the article is a bit odd. There are seven consecutive one-line paragraphs (consisting of one sentence or two very short sentences each). Sure, the article is long enough, but it doesn't look like an article at all. -- tariqabjotu 10:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I think the last couple edits have taken care of that, but if you want to remove it, I won't object. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 10:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I've made some further improvements along those lines. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:25, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

I think it's okay now. -- tariqabjotu 10:30, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

For grammar shouldn't it be Jiangxi province rather than just Jiangxi? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 12:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

If there's a need to disambiguate from "Jiangxi the city", or "Jiangxi the waterfall", etc., maybe. But I won't call this a grammar-related issue. And I think the blurb in MainPage is OK as is. --PFHLai (talk) 12:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Ethiopian general election, 2010

Being held today. Nominate for posting once it is confirmed whether the government has been returned or defeated. --Mkativerata (talk) 06:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

• Support, when a referenced results section of prose is added. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 21:55, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

support ditto spencerLihaas (talk) 21:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)reply

Support too. --candle•wicke 02:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC)reply

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