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November 30

November 30, 2009 (Monday)

A court in Argentina blocks Latin America's first gay marriage, overturning an earlier ruling, saying the Supreme Court should decide on its constitutionality. (Buenos Aires Herald) (AFP) (BBC)
On St. Andrew's Day, the Scottish Government concludes the National Conversation into Scotland's constitutional future by publishing a white paper for their proposed referendum on independence. (The Independent) (Scotland.gov.uk)
Officials in Equatorial Guinea announce that incumbent President Teodoro Obiang Nguema won the presidential election with 96.7% of the vote, as the opposition claims irregularities. (AFP) (Press TV)
In a major provincial leadership reshuffle in the People's Republic of China, Lu Zhangong was appointed secretary of the Henan CPC Provincial Committee, replacing Xu Guangchun. Sun Chunlan was appointed secretary of the Fujian CPC Committee. Former Jilin Party chief Wang Min was appointed secretary of the Liaoning CPC Committee, replacing Zhang Wenyue. Former Minister of Agriculture Sun Zhengcai took over as Party chief of Jilin Province. And former governor of Hebei Hu Chunhua was appointed Party chief of Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, replacing Chu Bo, who retired.(Xinhua)
An explosive device goes off under a train travelling from Tyumen, Russia, to Baku in Azerbaijan, in the northern Caucasus republic of Dagestan. (RIA Novosti) (Azeri Press Agency) (Times of India)
Three Spanish aid workers are kidnapped in northern Mauritania, after they became separated from an aid convoy. (CNN) (The Guardian)
Former rebel leader Agathon Rwasa, of the National Liberation Forces in Burundi, is selected as a candidate in next year's presidential election. (Reuters) (BBC)
A new railway station opens in Workington, providing a link across the River Derwent after all but one of the bridges in the town were put out of action by floods. (BBC)
John Demjanjuk goes on trial in Munich accused of war crimes relating to the killing of 27,000 Jews in the Holocaust. (Deutsche Welle) (BBC) (Reuters) (Sydney Morning Herald)
The Large Hadron Collider sets a new world record for particle accelerations. (The Times) (BBC) (The Daily Telegraph)
Police in Seattle report that the suspect, Maurice Clemmons, shot in the murder of four police officers in Parkland, Washington, is on the run. (Seattle Post-Intelligencer)
Argonne National Laboratory announces that nanodiscs, made from an iron-nickel alloy and subjected to a magnetic field, destroy 90 percent of cancer cells in tests. (AFP) (Scientific American)
Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo announces she will run for Congress. (ABS-CBN News)
A study in the journal Pediatrics indicates that if a child is diagnosed with autism early, intervention can raise IQ levels while improving language skills and behavior. (CNN)

ITN candidates for November 30

Argentine same-sex marriage case

A court in Argentina blocks Latin America's first gay marriage, overturning an earlier ruling, saying the Supreme Court should decide on its constitutionality. (Buenos Aires Herald) (AFP) (BBC)

Seems fine to me. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 02:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Oppose for now. I think we should wait at least until the Supreme Court makes a ruling. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Concur, wait til the Supreme Court decides. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 17:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

November 29

November 29, 2009 (Sunday)

Nepal announces it will hold a cabinet meeting on Mount Everest to highlight the effect of global warming on glaciers. (BBC) (Xinhua) (The Himalayan Times)
Somali pirates capture the Greek owned oil tanker Maran Centaurus 1,300 kilometres off the coast of Somalia. (BBC)
Uruguayan voters elect Broad Front candidate José Mujica as their new president. (Reuters)
The Commonwealth of Nations urges the Fijian government to restore democracy in the country. (BBC)
Israel announces it is likely to release 980 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for captured soldier Gilad Shalit. (Ha'aretz) (AFP)
Four police officers are shot and killed while in a coffee shop in Parkland, Washington, United States. (MSNBC) (BBC)
Irish floods: At least 13 ambulances from the Order of Malta Ambulance Corps in Dublin travel to Athlone and Ballinasloe to deliver relief to flood victims there. Dublin's River Liffey bursts its banks and floods several areas. (RTÉ) (The Sunday Business Post)
Voters in Switzerland approve a referendum to ban the construction of new minarets in the country. (Swissinfo) (BBC) (Al Jazeera)
Nuclear program of Iran:
- The Iranian parliament urges the government to reduce ties with the International Atomic Energy Agency. (Fars News Agency) (BBC) (Xinhua)
- The Iranian government approves plans to build 10 new uranium enrichment plants. (Press TV) (Sky News)
Russian police issue an appeal for witnesses following the Nevsky Express bombing. (BBC) (IOL)
The central bank of the United Arab Emirates announces it will provide extra liquidity to Dubai banks. (Gulf News) (BBC)
Saudi Arabia says its forces have seized control of a key mountain area amid the country's ongoing fight with Houthi rebels in Yemen. (Al Jazeera)
Statements from bishops relating to the Murphy Report into sexual abuse scandal in Dublin archdiocese are read at Masses across Ireland. (RTÉ)
A witness in the case of the murder of nun Dorothy Stang shot dead in the Amazon Rainforest in 2005 is critically wounded after being shot. (BBC) (Canadian Press)
Officials investigate a radiation leak at the Kaiga nuclear plant in southern India which left 55 employees requiring medical treatment. (Indian Express) (Reuters) (BBC)
The Peruvian government apologizes to citizens of African origin for centuries of abuse. (BBC) (Latin American Herald Tribune)
Honduras holds its first general election five months after a coup d'état ousted Manuel Zelaya as President. (BBC) (The New York Times) (The Washington Post)
Voters in Equatorial Guinea take part in a presidential election. (Xinhua) (Al Jazeera)
A United States Senate report states that Osama bin Laden was "within grasp" of the United States Army in Tora Bora in December 2001. (BBC)
British scientists at the University of East Anglia, who are criticised, say they will publish their figures in full. (The Daily Telegraph) (Associated Press)
Rwanda is admitted under the Edinburgh criteria as the second member of the Commonwealth of Nations without any historical ties to the United Kingdom. (The New York Times) (Bernama)

ITN candidates for November 29

Peru apologises to Afro-Peruvians

(BBC) "First time", "centuries of abuse", "declaration published in the official newspaper El Peruano", "went a step further in recognising that racist exclusion continues to this day", "human rights groups have said the recognition is an important political gesture after years of denial that discrimination existed", "significant". Apology precedent, Africa is a lot more than one person. --can dle •wicke 12:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to nominate this myself. Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

The article will need a lot of work though. For starters, the Spanish Wikipedia cannot be used as a source. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Updated and support. One possibility is to delay this until the ceremony happens. I have no strong opinion on that.--Chaser (talk) 07:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I would wait for the ceremony. By the way, other sections in the article still lack citations. If posted in the current condition, the article will get tagged with {{unreferenced}} or something similiar and subsequently removed, like this. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:33, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Rwanda

Rwanda is admitted into the Commonwealth of Nations. The article has yet to be updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Updated in Commonwealth of Nations membership criteria#Edinburgh criteria, which explains the significance of the admission as Rwanda was never a British colony. Arsonal (talk) 05:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I am also adding it in Commonwealth of Nations shortly. Arsonal (talk) 05:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. Arsonal (talk) 06:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Grey Cup

97th Grey Cup to be played.--Giants27 (c|s) 23:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)reply

Support, although too bad it won't be the Roughriders vs. the Rough Riders. –Howard the Duck 07:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)reply

This is the recurring item for the sport of Canadian football? Support from me if this is the case. Is it to be added to WP:ITNR? --can dle •wicke 15:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)reply

Yeah it's the championship and it probably should be added to recurring items.--Giants27 (c|s) 18:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)reply

Added. --can dle •wicke 03:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)reply

The Super Bowl is safe. For now. <evil mad scientist laugh) –Howard the Duck 05:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)reply

Don't worry, Howard. You'll be getting half of what you want. --Plasma Twa 2 00:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Game over suggested wording (first time I've done one of these): In Canadian football, the Montreal Alouettes defeat the Saskatchewan Roughriders 28-27 in the 97th Grey Cup.--Giants 27(Contribs|WP:CFL) 03:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support I think the article is updated, though there could be a better summary of the game. --Plasma Twa 2 06:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Not yet. The entire 2009 CFL playoffs section is totally unreferenced. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:39, 30 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Honduran general election, 2009

Honduras votes today for a new National Congress and President. The elected president will replace Roberto Micheletti who became de facto president following the exile of Manuel Zelaya after the 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis - Dumelow (talk) 20:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)reply

Support per WP:ITNR. --can dle •wicke 12:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:38, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Might we combine the Honduran and Uruguayan elections into one blurb? It looks like we might have a busy day of news as it is.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Depends when they issue the results. It varies from a day or so to a few weeks (or even more), unfortunately we can't really predict that - Dumelow (talk) 15:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

It looks like with have winners in both elections.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I think the Honduran election article is reasonably updated. It still lacks a prose description of the final results, but but the election statistics are there. Can we post it?--Johnsemlak (talk) 23:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)reply

No, we can't. We need some prose update. Besides, the article is tagged with two NPOV templates. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:50, 1 December 2009 (UTC)reply

I've added some prose. I propose: Porfirio Lobo is elected president of Honduras in the first election since the 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis. Grsz¹¹ 23:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting. --Tone 23:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)reply

Swiss referendum, November 2009

The Swiss hold a referendum to decide whether to ban minarets and the export of weapons and whether to ringfence money from aviation taxes for aviation matters. Probably note a notable event but I have never heard of a national ban on minarets and a ban on weapons exports is pretty interesting - Dumelow (talk) 20:19, 27 September 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. This referendum does have international implications. --BorgQueen (talk) 00:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)reply

Support as there must be some reason for it being discussed on morning radio shows and news websites abroad. There is this from the BBC website more than a month before the referendum. Germany Bulgaria Ireland Netherlands France And, if Europe isn't good enough, North America cares too... women are to blame apparently... --can dle •wicke 12:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support as per reasons stated, though I think it's more notable if they vote to ban minarets.--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:35, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

You got what you wanted. 1 --BorgQueen (talk) 16:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The article will, of course, need to be expanded significantly.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. The minaret ban seems like an important referendum with international and inter-religious ramifications. __meco (talk) 15:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

How about: Voters in Switzerland (flag pictured) approve in a referendum to ban the construction of new minarets in the country. --Hapsala (talk) 16:38, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I think it would be better if we ran with a picture of a minaret as some people might not know what they are (and it is more interesting than a flag). The article needs more prose/updating yet, anyway - Dumelow (talk) 16:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Might be nice to get a link to Minaret controversy in Switzerland, somewhere - Dumelow (talk) 16:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Would be nice but that article is not updated yet. Support otherwise. --Tone 16:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Why don't we just update and feature Minaret controversy in Switzerland instead? It seems to be easier. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Comment--That article has A LOT of red links. Is that an issue?--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I've removed some of them. The remaining red links are mostly people's names; I do not know whether they are notable enough to have separate articles about them, so I will leave them for now. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:28, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

How about this image? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:49, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I think I prefer the minaret image to the swiss flag, though I'm not sure how to refer to it in the blurb.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Suggested blurb: Voters in Switzerland approve in a referendum to ban the construction of minarets (example pictured) in the country. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:39, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Sounds OK to me.--Johnsemlak (talk) 21:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Ok, posting. --Tone 22:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I updated the image to BorgQueen's minaret as it has consensus here and is more interesting than a flag - Dumelow (talk) 23:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Uruguayan general election, 2009

Uruguay also elects a President and Parliament today in the Uruguayan general election, 2009 - Dumelow (talk) 18:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:44, 22 September 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. Nirvana888 (talk) 01:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)reply

It has gone to a run-off on November 29 so I will move this there. (AP) - Dumelow (talk) 17:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)reply

Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:39, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Article updated and posted.--Chaser (talk) 05:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)reply

Equatorial Guinean presidential election, 2009

Just noticed this one in Equatorial Guinea as well. Bit of a suspicious one with the opposition alleging foul play and the incumbent expecting to get at least 97% of the vote - Dumelow (talk) 09:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Final results by December 7 apparently. 2 - Dumelow (talk) 15:41, 1 December 2009 (UTC)reply

(AFP, in French) Provisional results are now in. Final results will be announced tomorrow, along with an explanation of how 292,585 votes were counted in a country with only 291,000 registered voters... - Dumelow (talk) 20:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)reply

Apparently it is now definitely 7 December for results. per these - Dumelow (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)reply

Feel free to archive this (when the time comes) as I will keep an eye on it and repost when the final results are (eventually) announced - Dumelow (talk) 13:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC)reply

November 28

November 28, 2009 (Saturday)

The death toll in a ferry accident in southern Bangladesh rises to 33. (Sify) (Press TV) (Bangkok Post)^{permanent dead link}
Sri Lanka's former army chief Sarath Fonseka announces he will run for President in the presidential election next year. (Daily News & Analysis) (AFP)
A Chinese court hears the first civil lawsuit by a parent whose child fell ill during last year's tainted milk scandal. (AP) (China Daily) (BBC)
The Government of Ireland promises more money to the flood relief fund as ongoing flooding worsens in some counties, including Clare, Galway and Offaly. (RTÉ)
Protesters and police clash at a demonstration protesting a meeting of the World Trade Organization in Geneva, Switzerland. (Swissinfo) (Wall Street Journal)
At least 73 people die as a ferry sinks in Lake Mai-Ndombe in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. (BBC) (Al Jazeera)
Pakistan's National Reconciliation Ordinance, issued by former President Pervez Musharraf in October 2007 to provide several thousand politicians (including current President Asif Ali Zardari) amnesty from charges of political corruption, expires. (AFP) (CNN) (Daily Times Pakistan)
Russia's prosecutor general opens a criminal case into the 2009 Nevsky Express bombing which killed at least 26 people yesterday. (Deutsche Welle) (Russia Today) (BBC)
Three people are killed and four injured after a Zimbabwean cargo plane catches fire at Shanghai Pudong International Airport. (Xinhua) (AP) (Bernama)
Japan launches its fifth spy satellite on the H-IIA rocket from the Tanegashima Space Center. (Kyodo)^{permanent dead link} (Mainichi Shimbun)^{permanent dead link} (Times of India)
A second day of voting in national and presidential elections in Namibia takes place. (AFP)

ITN candidates for November 28

Namibia polls

Namibia goes to the polls for the Namibian general election, 2009 to elect a president and parliament - Dumelow (talk) 20:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)reply

According to AP we could get results as early as Monday (or by December 4th) - Dumelow (talk) 12:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Definitely tomorrow according to the election commission here. The longest it has ever taken the results of a Namibian election to be published apparently - Dumelow (talk) 19:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC)reply

Feel free to archive this (when the time comes) as I will keep an eye on it and repost when the final results are (eventually) announced - Dumelow (talk) 13:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC)reply

November 27

November 27, 2009 (Friday)

A Russian high-speed passenger train traveling on the Moscow – Saint Petersburg Railway derails near Uglovka in a suspected terrorist attack, killing 26 people and injuring more than 100. (RIA Novosti) (BBC)
Tiger Woods, the world's number one golfer, is hospitalised after sustaining injuries in a car crash in Orlando, Florida, USA. (The Daily Telegraph) (BBC) (The Irish Times)
The World Health Organization reports a one-week global increase of more than 1,000 deaths (85% increase in Europe) from the pandemic H1N1/09 virus. (BBC) (World Health Organization)
A ferry carrying over 1000 people partially sinks in the Tetulia river in southern Bangladesh, trapping an unknown number of people. (BBC) (IOL) (The Daily Star)
The International Atomic Energy Agency passes a resolution 25-3 condemning Iran for developing a secret uranium enrichment site. (BBC) (Xinhua) (Press TV) (RIA Novosti)
Vanuatu's Prime Minister Edward Natapei loses his parliamentary seat after he missed three consecutive sittings without submitting an explanation. (AFP) (BBC) (Xinhua)
Voters in Namibia vote in a general election. (The Namibian) (Al Jazeera) (AFP)
At the Khmer Rouge war crimes trial, Kaing Guek Eav, known as Duch, pleads to be released. (Phnom Penh Post) (AP)
Great Britain and Ireland floods:
- Prince Charles visits areas of Cumbria hit by the recent floods. (The Guardian)
- Hundreds of people attend the funeral held for a police officer who died when a bridge collapsed in Workington, Cumbria. (BBC)
- Royal Engineers from the British Army begin construction of a temporary footbridge over the River Derwent. (BBC)
- The Irish Farmers' Association begins an operation to distribute emergency supplies of donated fodder to Ireland's flood-hit regions as the River Shannon rises further, threatening Limerick City. (The Irish Times) (RTÉ)
Multibillion-dollar debt problems of Emirati investment company Dubai World, including the possibility of default, upset markets worldwide. (MarketWatch)
The China National Space Administration sets a launch date of October 2010 for Chang'e 2, its second lunar orbiter. (AP)
The Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting 2009 opens with the following issues on its agenda: discussion of climate change ahead of the December United Nations Climate Change Conference; Rwanda's admission into the Commonwealth of Nations; and Sri Lanka's bid to host the 2011 meeting. (BBC)
South Korea's Truth and Reconciliation Commission acknowledges the government's execution of 5,000 civilians accused of sympathizing with North Korea during the early months of the Korean War. (Los Angeles Times)
The Ugandan parliament passes a controversial land bill, criticised by the Buganda kingdom. (Daily Monitor) (BBC) (New Vision)
Franz Josef Jung resigns as Germany's Minister of Labour and Social Affairs following allegations of covering up the Kunduz airstrike, during which he served as Minister of Defence. (Deutsche Welle) (BBC)
President of the European Commission José Manuel Barroso nominates a new team of commissioners for his second five-year term. (BBC) (The New York Times)
Space Shuttle Atlantis returns to Earth following the completion of its STS-129 mission. (Reuters)
A mass shooting at a Thanksgiving party in Jupiter, Florida, United States kills four people and critically wounds a fifth. (CNN)

ITN candidates for November 27

Nobel Prize seized by Iran

(BBC) The Iranian government has confiscated human rights activist Shirin Ebadi's Nobel Peace Prize. This is the first time that a national government has ever confiscated a Nobel Prize from somebody. Iran also took her Legion d'Honneur award and a ring given to her by the German association of journalists. Iran claims that she owes the state tax on her Nobel Prize winnings - Dumelow (talk) 14:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

support as well when updated.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The report is being denied by the Iranian government. (The New York Times) Arsonal (talk) 05:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support and updated. Shirin Ebadi says her Nobel Peace Prize has been seized by Iranian authorities, a claim denied by Iran. --can dle •wicke 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't like formulation X says Y. Not really ITN style. We report solid facts. So, I'd wait with this one until things become clearer. --Tone 19:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Besides, the article has totally unreferenced sections, one of them tagged. People don't like tagged articles on Main Page. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:38, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Didn't see all that. Just thought it required updating, sorry. --can dle •wicke 20:50, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Russian derailment

A train travelling between Moscow and Saint Petersburg derails near the town of Bologoye, killing at least thirty nine and injuring up to one hundred others after a suspected bomb blast. I think this is significant enough. I've created an article for it and I'm in the process of expanding/updating. Opinions and/or assistance welcome. HJMitchell You rang? 03:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:42, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

FYI, this is the lead story on the BBC News Channel and Sky News, nearly 1000 articles on GNews. HJMitchell You rang? 06:32, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Article looks in good enough shape. I have updated the death toll to the latest Russian official figures (which are lower). Posted - Dumelow (talk) 08:48, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Franz Josef Jung resignation

Please add this to the entry regarding Schneiderhan's resignation. --bender235 (talk) 13:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Agreed, can anyone come up with a nice, concise wording for the combined item? - Dumelow (talk) 14:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I suggest this be intergrated into the Schneiderhan item, making it a dual item, unless someone has already started to write an article on the political fallout of this incident. I think the latter would be warranted at this point. __meco (talk) 14:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I just wondered if anyone had a better wording for a combined item. The best I could come up with is: "Wolfgang Schneiderhan (pictured), the Chief of Staff of the German Bundeswehr, and Franz Josef Jung, the Minister of Labour and Social Affairs, resign over allegations that they withheld information in the aftermath of the Kunduz airstrike." which is perhaps a bit long. But I can't think of a better wording, I'll go ahead and post that if people agree - Dumelow (talk) 14:39, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The wording is fine but the article Franz Josef Jung has to be updated further. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:43, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Update expanded by Dumelow. Arsonal (talk) 15:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I have just added the info from Schneiderhan's article and a bit of new stuff about Jung, no time to add more I'm afraid - Dumelow (talk) 15:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Looks fine now. Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

H1N1 mutation

Not sure if these stories are linked yet. The World Health Organization reports a global increase of 1,000+ deaths from H1N1 (85% increase in Europe). (BBC) (WHO 27 November update) This comes a week after it confirmed virus mutations in Norway. (Reuters) Arsonal (talk) 18:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

It should at least be put up on the Current Events portal first. __meco (talk) 18:59, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The BBC article says mutated strains have also been found in China, Japan, Ukraine and the U.S. Arsonal (talk) 19:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

WHO said increased activity in India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Albania and Moldova, but decreases everywhere else. I would oppose for now. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:58, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Edward Natapei

Nominate the Vanuatu Prime Minister Edward Natapei removal from office. Natapei lost his seat because he missed 3 consecutive parliamentary sittings without submitting proper paperwork. Very unusual circumstances! Scanlan (talk) 21:51, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support but his article needs more of an update - Dumelow (talk) 21:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Hmm, I'm not sure about this one myself. Normally we do post news regarding the appointment/election/removal of heads of government, but this man seems to have been sacked basically for not showing up for work. It's unusual for sure but, well, doesn't sound like a crisis. I say we at least wait until the replacement takes office since that will surely be nominated as well.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support, still a removal from office of a Prime Minister. The method may raise eyebrows but perhaps that makes it more interesting for Main Page readers. --can dle •wicke 21:00, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support from me, too. The circumstances are sufficiently unusual to be extra-interesting. GreenGourd (talk) 22:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support because of funny circumstances. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I support but I strongly recommend when wait until a replacement is installed so that we don't have to have two similar Vanuatu stories in quick succession. We post enough 'small island nation' political news as it is.--Johnsemlak (talk) 07:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Examples? --can dle •wicke 12:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines constitutional referendum, 2009, currently still up, an election whose result was nothing changed in a nation of only 120,000 people. I don't object to posting that, but I'm troubled by the fact that events like this get posted easily and a tragic event like the Congo ferry sinking might not get posted. Though I also feel that there are too many ferry sinkings to post them all, so honestly I don't know where I stand.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:05, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I say post it now. There is no indication a replacement will be installed soon. ... (talk) 03:36, 1 December 2009 (UTC)reply

Crowded ferry capsizes in southern Bangladesh

26 people dead, and with the toll likely to rise. Ferry sinkings in S Asia and SE Asia are extremely common so this may seem non-notable, but the loss of life in this disaster is on a scale that we usually report.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:20, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Yeah, we didn't post the last similar ferry sinking. See November 22 on this page (but soon to be in archives), "Sumatra ferry sink".--Chaser (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

There's now an article. However, with saturday's sinking in the Congo, killing 73, the Bangladesh sinking is likely to get overshadowed.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:37, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

They're both important. They happened on two different continents. This is a lot of dead people to be flippant about, alas this is a regular reaction elsewhere when people are killed in these parts of the world. I support both when they are ready. --can dle •wicke 20:57, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support both per Candlewicke. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Respectfully oppose Bangladesh ferry sinking. If I've been flippant before, I'm sorry. I don't think we should post deaths anywhere that occur in common ways, and that includes deaths of dozens due to car accidents in the developed world. The articles about this sinking and the Dumai Express 10 all indicate that ferry sinkings in those areas of the world are commonplace, as transport by ferry and overcrowding are routine. The only indication to the contrary is that "no major ferry disasters have happened in the past two years after stricter enforcing of safety rules." 3. However, we did not post the sinking of the ML Happy, also in Bangladesh, in which 39 died in February of this year. (see ITN in February). If anything, we've got a news story about stricter enforcement of safety rules not working, but that is not ITN material. As to the sinking in the DRC, I think the same logic applies, but the sheer number of deaths (now 90) makes me hesitant. Still, we don't even have an article for the sinking in the Congo on 13 September (referenced here) that also killed 90, so I don't know.--Chaser (talk) 01:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Well I wouldn't oppose the idea of posting due to there being no article... if there is one it can be posted and if there isn't it obviously can't no matter how much support it has. Does this mean we could argue to never post another sinking because we forgot Congo once? Was it even nominated? Oh well... remember that plane crashes have occurred in threes and fours in the past too — right now seems to be ship sinking season. --can dle •wicke 05:14, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I take your point, but what does the absence of an article say about international interest in the subject?--Chaser (talk) 06:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The absence of international interest in this story is not the only reason it takes time to get an article for events like this. The article has to be started from scratch. It can't just be tacked on to an existing article. An article for the Congo sinking will surely be created; th Bangladesh sinking had an article yesterday.--Johnsemlak (talk) 07:14, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Actually in the past few hours I've created from scratch an article on a recently deceased businessman recognised in Canada and Ireland (and who apparently introduced The Rolling Stones to North America). He had not yet been added to deaths in 2009. This was despite the fact he died nearly a week ago and his funeral had already occurred. It might sound like an odd comparison to make but if this can happen when someone is known for several decades in two separate English speaking countries on two different continents then I think the absence of an article relating to any deaths in Bangladesh and Congo which occurred in the past forty-eight hours is not very surprising at all and says absolutely nothing about international interest. Or perhaps nobody in North America cares about The Rolling Stones. --can dle •wicke 08:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I was referring to this incident from two months ago.--Chaser (talk) 08:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Herschel Telescope observes death throes of largest known star

The Herschel Space Observatory has observed the 'death throes' of the largest known star. Perhaps this isn't all that significant but the 'largest known star' bit seems notable. Might be a nice science event to include? Perhaps some posters more familiar with the science could comment.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The star is a hypergiant that could turn into a supernova at any time. The "death throes" are an ongoing process that could last tens, hundreds, thousands or millions of years. Notably, the Herschel instrument is making the first spectroscopic analysis of the star to identify the molecules being ejected. This will help us understand how stars create the chemicals that ultimately form planets and life. Jehochman ^Talk 12:46, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. As an astronomer myself, this is nothing special, and is basically just a good bit of PR by ESA. The star itself has been known for decades, isn't doing anything particularly interesting at the moment, and has just been observed in a new wavelength region. Exciting for astronomers who work on massive stars, but not for anyone else. Modest Genius ^talk 19:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose per Modest Genius. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

November 26

November 26, 2009 (Thursday)

Ireland's Taoiseach Brian Cowen is confronted by displeased residents in Athlone during his half-day tour of flood-hit areas in Galway, Offaly, Roscommon and Westmeath. (The Irish Times) (RTÉ)
The Murphy Report, commissioned by the Irish government, finds that the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Dublin covered up widespread sexual abuse of children by priests until the mid 1990s. (Irish Times) (Reuters) (BBC)
All pleas to halt British hacker Gary McKinnon being extradited to the United States to face trial for breaking into NASA and military computers looking for UFO evidence fail as UK Home Secretary orders his extradition. (The Daily Telegraph)
The Namibian National Society for Human Rights announces it will approach the High Court after the electoral commission withdraws its observer status for the general election on Friday. (The Namibian) (BBC)
The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) labels the Maguindanao massacre in the Philippines the "single deadliest event for the press" ever documented. (Philippine Daily Inquirer)
The Supreme Court in Bogotá convicts and sentences former general Jaime Uscátegui to 40 years in prison for his role in the Mapiripán Massacre in 1997 by far right militias. (The Guardian) (Colombia Reports)
Floods in Saudi Arabia kill around 77 people in Jeddah, Rabigh and Mecca, and a further 351 are missing in the heaviest rainfall in years. (AFP) (Saudi Gazette)
Germany's army chief Wolfgang Schneiderhan resigns over allegations of a cover up related to a September NATO airstrike in northern Afghanistan. (Deutsche Welle) (Xinhua)
South Korea's Constitutional Court strikes down a decades old law that punished men for making false promises of marriage to engage in sexual relations with women. (Yonhap) (Korea Herald) (Times of India)
A gunman attacks the University of Pécs in southern Hungary, killing one and injuring at least three people. (BBC) (Caboodle.hu)
Ceremonies are held in India to mark the first anniversary of a series of attacks in Mumbai by Pakistani militants which killed 166 people. (Hindustan Times) (BBC) (The Guardian)
China unveils its first firm target to cut greenhouse gas emissions, ahead of a United Nations summit in Copenhagen next month. (Xinhua) (The Times) (Reuters)
Police in Hong Kong attempt to find the founder of a Facebook group whose members claim to have planned to commit a mass suicide on December 21. (IOL) (China Daily) (Radio Television Hong Kong)
Citizens of St Vincent and the Grenadines reject a new constitution which would have replaced Queen Elizabeth II with a president as Head of State. (Antillean) (Caribbean News Agency)

ITN candidates for November 26

Publication of the Murphy Report

RTÉ, BBC, The Irish Times, CNN, ZeeNews, AP, PA, Nanaimo Daily News, Radio France, Reuters, The Washington Times. Cargoking talk 14:38, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when expanded further. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Done 4. Does it require more? Cargoking talk 18:45, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Looks okay now. Blurb please? --BorgQueen (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

An investigation into sex abuse in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Dublin is published. Cargoking talk 19:00, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

How about: "sex abuse" -> "sexual abuse of children" --BorgQueen (talk) 19:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

German Chief of Staff resigns

(BBC) Wolfgang Schneiderhan, the German Chief of Staff, Bundeswehr (the highest ranking military figure) has resigned his post over the Kunduz airstrike which killed dozens of civilians -Dumelow (talk) 10:18, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when the article Wolfgang Schneiderhan (general) is updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I have done a mini-update, it will be a while before I can get around to doing it properly - Dumelow (talk) 18:34, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I hope you could finish it by tomorrow... We need a new item with a free image soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:35, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I have done a bit more. How about: "Wolfgang Schneiderhan (pictured), the Chief of Staff of the German Bundeswehr, resigns over allegations that he withheld information in the aftermath of the Kunduz airstrike" or something similar - Dumelow (talk) 19:52, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Thanks, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:08, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Franz Josef Jung, then Minister of Defence, has also resigned from his current position as Minister of Labour and Social Affairs. Arsonal (talk) 13:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Colombian general jailed

(BBC) Former Colombian general Jaime Humberto Uscategui is jailed for 40 years (the longest ever sentence given to a Colombian Army officer) after being found guilty of "guilty of murder, kidnapping and falsifying public documents". The sentence was for allowing far-right paramilitary death squads to use his army base in 1997 which (alongside his refusal to act against the paramilitaries) led to the Mapiripán Massacre - Dumelow (talk) 10:26, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support and updated. A Bogotá court sentences a former army general to forty years in prison for his role in the 1997 Mapiripán Massacre. --can dle •wicke 22:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

St. Vincent constitutional rejection

Well-updated article, under-reported area of the world/country. BobAmnertiopsis ∴_ChatMe! 22:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Since no one cares about this, I'd have to support for this to go up. Article's at Saint Vincent and the Grenadines constitutional referendum, 2009. You guys can use the wording used in P:CE. –Howard the Duck 13:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Missed this but it has my support as well - Dumelow (talk) 15:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Saudi Arabia flooding

This story has more than one angle of significance: fairly high death toll, basically freak weather, and most importantly it happens during Hajj with millions of pilgrims in place. __meco (talk) 23:18, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

2009 Saudi Arabia floods is well written. Support. Any chance to add an infobox? --Tone 09:25, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Infobox in place. Suggested blurb: "A flash flood on the Red Sea coast of Saudi Arabia during the hajj holidays leaves 77 dead and hundreds missing." One might consider naming the affected city Jeddah also, but there is some potential for unclarity as parts of the Makkah Province was also affected, but apparently no hajj pilgrims in the city of Mecca itself were victims. __meco (talk) 09:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Ok, posting. --Tone 10:08, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Gary McKinnon's extradition

The UK Home Secretary has ordered that ufologist hacker Gary McKinnon is extradited to the United States to face trial after breaking into NASA and Pentagon computers. __meco (talk) 11:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. We could post it now (after updating a bit more), or we could wait for a verdict in a U.S. court. Either way is fine, in my opinion. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:09, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I'd rather wait until he has exhausted all his pre-extradition legal options. According to The Times he is expected to appeal for a judicial review of the decision and to take it to the European court - Dumelow (talk) 15:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

That is fine, too. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

If that is so I too think we should wait. I gathered from the stories I read that there were no more options left. __meco (talk) 18:51, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I have tracked the online version (I read it in print) of the article to here in case anyone was interested. It also states that "It could be months, or possibly years, before he is compelled to leave" - Dumelow (talk) 21:17, 28 November 2009 (UTC)reply

November 25

November 25, 2009 (Wednesday)

Irish floods: Water levels rise between Gort and Kinvara, the main Galway-Limerick road is partially impassable, water levels in Athlone reach 50cm over the highest level on record, Waterways Ireland describes water levels on the River Shannon as "unmanageable" and says one third of Ireland's annual rain has so far fallen during November alone. (RTÉ)
2009 South Yemen insurgency: Five Yemenis die when security forces clash with southern separatists. (Reuters)
President of French Polynesia Oscar Temaru is ousted in a motion of no confidence by the Assembly of French Polynesia. The Assembly elects Gaston Tong Sang as president. Gaston returns to power just nine months after leaving office. This is the eleventh new government in five years. (Radio Australia)
Dubai World, the state-owned real-estate and ports giant, asks for a moratorium on its 59 billion US dollars' in debt until at least May 30, 2010. (Bloomberg)
Two journalists kidnapped more than a year ago in Somalia, an Australian and a Canadian, are released. (AP) (ABC News)
Five people are killed at a rally demanding secession in Shabwa, southern Yemen. (Reuters) (BBC) (Xinhua)
A court in Pakistan charges seven suspects in connection with the 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai. (Al Jazeera) (Hindustan Times) (AFP)
Prosecutors in the trial of a former Khmer Rouge prison chief Kaing Guek Eav request a 40 year prison sentence. (Phnom Penh Post) (AP) (Press TV)
Maguindanao massacre
- Philippine police name a political ally of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo as prime suspect in the Maguindanao massacre. (ABS-CBN News)
- The Philippine National Police take full control of the province of Maguindanao to prevent an escalation of violence. (Philippine Daily Inquirer)

ITN candidates for November 25

Dubai economic trouble

The real-estate development company Dubai World, owned by the Dubai government, asks creditors for a 6-month moratorium on its $59 billion debt, giving unexpected indication of problems with the country's finances. __meco (talk) 13:05, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:08, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Dubai is not a country. "Emirate" or "state" would be better. Algebraist 13:09, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Updated. I also second Algebraist's comment. Arsonal (talk) 15:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

We should also remove "unexpected". I've heard of Dubai's economic downhill several months ago. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

How about: The investment company Dubai World, owned by the Dubai government, asks creditors for a six-month moratorium on its US$59 billion debt, giving indication of problems with the state's finances. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:47, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

(Edit conflict) Recommend: The state-run Dubai World company, which accounts for three-quarters of Dubai's US$80-billion debt, asks creditors to extend the maturity of its loans by at least six months. Arsonal (talk) 15:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I would prefer meco's blurb (which I just slightly modified) since it is both simpler and clearer—I wondered for a moment if "giving indication of problems with the state's finances" would be POV, but the fear it has caused on the market says otherwise. Your blurb does not show (to a layperson) why the moratorium is particularly significant. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The blurb has been shortened without any mention of the change here (perhaps it has been discussed somewhere else?). This I think is unfortunate as it removes needed context of why this item is important. __meco (talk) 23:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Shortened by User:Tariqabjotu. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Today's suspension of the London Stock Exchange also seems to be a consequence of Dubai World's money problems.5 __meco (talk) 13:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Well, at first I thought a suspension of the FTSE itself would be ITN material but the article you referenced said that happened because of computer problems, so there may not be a connection to the Dubai thing.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:38, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

November 24

November 24, 2009 (Tuesday)

An appeal court in Casablanca, Morocco, upholds a three year jail term against a human rights activist, Chahib Khayari, for "offending the authorities" after accusing top officials of being involved in drug networks. (Reuters) (IOL)
Two French charity workers are kidnapped in the Central African Republic, in the latest in a series of kidnappings. (IOL) (Afrik.com)^{permanent dead link}
Four people are killed in a helicopter crash off the coast of Netanya in northern Israel. (Jerusalem Post) (RTT News) (Trend News Agency)
A nationwide public service strike involving medical staff, teachers and civil servants takes place in areas of Ireland not badly affected by recent ongoing flooding. (The Irish Times) (BBC) (Irish Independent)
The Government of Ireland announces a €10 million humanitarian fund for the worst affected by ongoing floods in the country. (RTÉ)
Over 1,500 complaints are received from American viewers after a gay kiss involving Adam Lambert is televised during an awards ceremony. (BBC)
Iran lifts a ban on one of its best-selling newspapers, Hamshahri, a day after it was banned from publication after publishing a picture of a temple from the banned Baháʼí faith. (Press TV) (Reuters)
The trial of two Congolese militia leaders, Germain Katanga and Mathieu Ngudjolo Chui, begins at the International Criminal Court in The Hague. (BBC) (Al Jazeera) (AP)
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev orders an investigation into the death of an anti-corruption lawyer Sergei Magnitsky who died in prison while awaiting trial on charges of tax evasion. (RIA Novosti) (The Daily Telegraph)
The European Parliament approves a major overhaul of telecommunications systems in the European Union aimed at boosting the rights of mobile and internet users. (AFP) (euronews)
An inquiry opens in the United Kingdom over the country's involvement in the Iraq War. (BBC) (CNN) (Angola Press)
Pirates kill a Ukrainian sailor after an oil tanker is attacked off the coast of Benin. (BBC) (Press TV)
China executes two people for their role in the tainted milk poisoning scandal. (Xinhua) (The Guardian) (Al Jazeera)
In a tribute to Hindu goddess Gadhimai, approximately 20,000 buffalo and 300,000 birds, sheep and goats are ritually slaughtered in a festival in Bariyapur, Nepal. (BBC) (Times of India) (CNN)
Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo declares a state of emergency in the entire Maguindanao province in southern Philippines following the bloodiest election-related massacre in Philippine history which left at least 40 people dead, including a local politician and about a dozen journalists. (ABS-CBN News)
Northern Mariana Islands gubernatorial election, 2009
- In the Northern Mariana Islands' first ever runoff, incumbent Governor Benigno Fitial of the Covenant Party leads Republican Party Rep. Heinz Hofschneider by 501 votes. (Saipan Tribune)
- An estimated 1,200 absentee ballots still need to be counted before a winner is declared on December 7, 2009. (Saipan Tribune)
Web browser Opera closes a loophole which allowed Chinese users to access websites banned by the government. (BBC)
Chilean writer and historian, José Arraño Acevedo dies at the age of 88. 6

ITN candidates for November 24

The world's largest animal sacrifice

If this was an annual festival I wouldn't have nominated, but according to BBC, it happens only once every five years. "Over the next two days more than a quarter of a million animals are expected to be slaughtered for Gadhimai - a goddess of power." If the consensus supports, I will create the article. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Someone beat me to it. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support: I came here to suggest this :) An animal sacrifice of this scale in the modern world seems highly unusual and very interesting, not to mention controversial. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 02:09, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Yes but the article has to be expanded a bit. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Agree with BorgQueen, support only if the article is expanded significantly.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

How about now? I'm not familiar with ITN, so does this count as a significant expansion? ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 11:29, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

It looks fine now, I think. We don't have the 5x rule here. But can you mention in the article that it is among the world's largest animal sacrifice? 7 --BorgQueen (talk) 11:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

OK :) ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 12:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Thanks, I will wait for a while for others' comments before posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. The article is slanted toward this year's event, but it seems like it can't be helped as I can't find an article from 2004 or before. Arsonal (talk) 12:53, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Suggested blurb: In a tribute to Hindu goddess Gadhimai, approximately 20,000 buffalo and 300,000 birds, sheep and goats are ritually sacrificed in a festival in southern Nepal. :Does anyone have better ideas? Bariyapur is a red link, so we cannot mention it in the blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:34, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

(unindent) Another version: In a tribute to Hindu goddess Gadhimai, more than 300,000 animals are ritually sacrificed in a festival in southern Nepal, in the world's largest animal sacrifice in modern era. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:14, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Minor note--apparently Bariyarpur does have an article, though it seems to be spelled either Bariyapur or Bariyarpur.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:59, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Comment We have got some trouble here PETA .--yousaf465 04:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Samak Sundaravej

Former Prime Minister of Thailand Samak Sundaravej died. 8 Could anyone update the death section? --BorgQueen (talk) 07:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't oppose this, but I might as be the one who asks if he meets the death criteria. It doesn't seem like his death was unexpected, and while he was a former head-of-government, it was for a rather short time. --Plasma Twa 2 07:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support Well that is not short period in office by Pakistani standards. We can changes PM in matter of weeks. ;)--yousaf465 07:33, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. I'm afraid this seems like an "ordinary death of a prominent person". His death itself is not that notable- he's not exactly the Queen Mum or Pope John Paul. HJMitchell You rang? 12:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Not important enough for ITN (from one with a Eurocentric perspective). __meco (talk) 13:49, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose, we can't post every head of state and head of government that dies. Manuel Solís of Panama, Bernard Kolélas of Congo-Brazzaville, Pierre Harmel of Belgium and Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi of Pakistan also died this month. They should only be posted if they had a prominent leadership, Mr Samak did not. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. Much of his time in office was spent battling "mass street campaigns against his government" and he was "forced from office in 2008 for starring in television cooking shows"? Can't be that forgettable. --can dle •wicke 21:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. We did post Ted Kennedy's death although he wasn't even a formed head of government. This is just as notable. Offliner (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Ted Kennedy was more internationally known, and sitting Senator when he died. This man isn't as well-known, and thus I oppose Deserted Cities (talk) 23:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Internationally known? Is that a joke? I'm from Europe and had never heard of the man before he died. Just because K was American and S was not does not mean we should post K but not S. Offliner (talk) 23:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

While I think Kennedy certainly had much more recognition due to his involvement in the Irish peace process and his brother, among other reasons, this is not a discussion on Kennedy's inclusion. That was in the past and should stay there. This isn't an issue about amerocentrism, it's simply about Samak's status on the world stage. It was low or non-existent, and that cannot be argued. As I've stated above, we can't put him up only because he was a former head of government because it would start a precedent of having every former head of state and government included. I listed those for November thus far. Should I list Octboer's? September's? Therequiembellishere (talk) 02:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. non-notable--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Can you explain? I see hundreds of news stories listed. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 03:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Well, a few hundred hits on Google news isn't very high. Though I would concede that we shouldn't rely on Google News searches.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:54, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support From my understanding, it was Samak's actions that led to the 2008-2009 Thai political crisis: massive protests, airports blocked, etc. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 03:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

However, though, the death section needs to be expanded further. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 03:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Yes it was his actions which led to now infamous airport blockade by the redshirt protesters. --yousaf465 06:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose: An international figure, but not among the most prominent or widely-known; was in office less than a year; did not die while in office; and did not die in an accident or attack. –BLACK FALCON ^(TALK) 06:51, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. 2008–2009 Thai political crisis basically started because of him. Also his death isn't exactly expected. ... (talk) 10:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I read that he died of cancer. It wasn't exactly unexpected either. --Plasma Twa 2 17:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

West African pirates kill chief engineer

(BBC) Pirates in West Africa have attacked the Monrovian-flagged MV Cancale Star tanker, killing the Ukrainian chief engineer and wounding another seaman. The ship and crew were rescued by the Beninese Navy. I have brought this up since we featured the capture and release of a ship in a similar situation off Somalia last year (The US Navy did the hard work then) and this incident seems just as worthy (especially as piracy in West Africa is less common than at the Horn of Africa) - Dumelow (talk) 19:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose: While this is the first reported incident of piracy off the coast of Benin, piracy is not uncommon off the coast of Nigeria (40 incidents in 2008, see 9), which borders Benin, and in West Africa more generally (100 incidents in 2007, see 10). –BLACK FALCON ^(TALK) 06:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

November 23

November 23, 2009 (Monday)

Forty three people, including a local politician and about a dozen journalists, are killed in a massacre in Maguindanao, Philippines.(The Philippine Star)^{permanent dead link}
The first atom collisions have taken place in the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, near Geneva, Switzerland. (The Times) (BBC News)
A second fire at an arms depot plant in Ulyanovsk, Russia, kills at least eight people, 10 days after a previous explosion at the same site. (RIA Novosti) (Al Jazeera)
The family of Jean Charles de Menezes, who was mistakenly shot dead by the Metropolitan Police in London in 2005, reach a compensation deal with police, resolving "all litigation" between them. (BBC)
India's main opposition BJP party condemns a leaked Liberhan Commission report that implicated opposition figures in the destruction of the Babri Mosque in 1992 by Hindu nationalists. (IBN) (Times LIVE)^{permanent dead link} (BBC)
Voters in the Northern Mariana Islands participate in the Commonwealth's first ever gubernatorial runoff election between Governor Benigno Fitial and challenger Heinz Hofschneider. Hofschneider had bested Fitial in the first round by just 8 votes on November 7, the closest gubernatorial election in history. (Saipan Tribune)
The war crimes trial of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia hears its final arguments. (Phnom Penh Post) (CNN) (Al Jazeera)
The world's largest mass immunisation against yellow fever begins in West Africa, targeting 12 million people. (BBC)
21 bodies are discovered so far after a convoy of around 50 people including politicians, journalists and supporters is hijacked by dozens of armed gunmen in Maguindanao, southern Philippines. (AP) (Philippine Inquirer) (GMA News)
Clashes break out between refugees from Sri Lanka and Afghanistan at an Australian immigration centre on Christmas Island. (BBC) (Xinhua) (ABC News)
Flooding in Great Britain and Ireland
- Residents in Cockermouth, Cumbria, begin returning to their homes; meanwhile, the search resumes for a missing woman swept away near Brecon, Powys. (BBC) (BBC)
- Taoiseach Brian Cowen visits Ireland's worst hit areas in the recent flooding. (RTÉ)
Relatives protest about the recent mine disaster in China. (Daily Mail) (RTÉ) (Reuters)
Chinese human rights activist Huang Qi, who campaigned for the parents of the children killed in schools in the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, is sentenced to three years in prison for "illegally holding state secrets". (BBC) (AFP)

ITN candidates for November 23

Philippines election attack leaves 21 dead

BBC21 people dead, more missing, all of whom were kidnapped; the events are connected to upcoming local Filipino elections. We may have reported something related to this in the past. No article yet.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Philippine general election, 2010 might be the appropriate article to update. Arsonal (talk) 22:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support significant amount of deaths, numbers continue to rise. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 23:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

No article/update yet? --BorgQueen (talk) 04:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I think we should go for the Philippine general election, 2010 article. No need for a separate article.--yousaf465 05:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

(BBC) death toll now at 46 - Dumelow (talk) 11:03, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support the article Maguindanao massacre has been created. It's the bloodest political tragedy in the Philippines--1j1z2 (talk) 13:53, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

But this amount of information could nicely have sit on the General election page.--yousaf465 14:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted.--chaser (talk) 16:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Comment This article does not yet meet the update requirement of three references as per the criteria. Also, I'm not sure if this is a problem but it contains two red links. I think we could have waited a short bit to improve the article. I support its notability.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Fixed. Sorry.--chaser (talk) 18:37, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The world's largest mass vaccination

The world's largest mass vaccination against yellow fever begins in West Africa, targeting 12 million people. 11 12 --BorgQueen (talk) 13:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. Is there an article associated with the news item? Thue | talk 22:49, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. Yellow fever seems to be the appropriate article to update. --Tone 22:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Note that this is not the world's largest mass vaccination as the title may suggest but the world's largest yellow fever vaccination. Support anyway (once we have an update somewhere) but I just wanted to clarify that - Dumelow (talk) 23:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support, with an update (not sure where too). Deserted Cities (talk) 23:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support So are we going to update the Yellow fever article ?--yousaf465 05:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I would suggest either that or Yellow fever vaccine - Dumelow (talk) 10:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. --can dle •wicke 21:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Updated. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:02, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Huang Qi

(BBC) This Chinese human rights activist has been jailed for three years for "illegally holding state secrets". He was active in many areas including human trafficking and the response to the 2008 Sichuan earthquake - Dumelow (talk) 09:27, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when updated a bit more. ~~And the article seems to require some minor cleanup.~~ --BorgQueen (talk) 09:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Cleaned up. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:57, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Nice work, Dumelow. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

There are hundreds of human rights activists jailed every month. What makes Huang Qi so special that he deserves to be posted over those with a greater stature like Hu Jia? (Hu was arrested December 2007; I don't think he was even mentioned in the Current Events portal) Colipon+(Talk) 13:36, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

According to the article: "Earlier on November 7, the U.S. House of Representatives had passed a near-unanimous resolution seeking freedom of activists Huang Qi and Tan Zuoren." 13 --BorgQueen (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The House of Representatives regularly passes such motions. Just do a search on Google. That legitimizes nothing about the subject's notability. The House has passed hundreds of resolutions on Falun Gong and its leader Li Hongzhi. Colipon+(Talk) 13:49, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

And both Falun Gong and Li Hongzhi are highly notable. Give us more appropriate example. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:53, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Sure, but they've never been on ItN on the main page. I am absolutely supportive of having this news story on the current events portal, but on the main page is, in my opinion, pushing it, if the only justification is that the U.S. house passed a resolution. I am happy to wait for other opinions though. So far we've only heard from two users, apart from myself. Colipon+(Talk) 14:01, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

You are entitled to make objections, but your logic "x has never been on ITN, therefore we shouldn't feature y, because y is less notable than x" is faulty. To feature an article on ITN, someone has to nominate it first, and someone has to update it. I agree Hu Jia is more significant but it simply means no one has bothered to nominate/update the article. Please note that most users on English Wikipedia are not familiar with China-related topics and if Dumelow hadn't nominated this article it probably wouldn't have been updated and featured. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I wasn't sure where I stood on this one but now that it's posted can we put up a picture if possible? Right now the blurb is right next to a skull. I am aware of some of the technical issues but having a blurb about a living person right next to a picture of a skull is going to invite complaints--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:41, 23 November 2009 (UTC).reply

If there was any free image of Huang Qi, I would have already posted it. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Or else we can replace the skull with a picture related some of our old ITN.--yousaf465 05:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I would also like to state my unease about this being an ITN featured item. I see it as more a case of political spin than the item actually being that big on the international news screen. __meco (talk) 13:55, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

If there are so many concerns, maybe we should remove the item. I don't have a strong opinion for or against here. --Tone 14:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

This may have been a premature addition. While I believe that human rights causes are important worldwide, I do see this event as particularly significant internationally.

Maybe you're right, I won't oppose anyone removing the item - Dumelow (talk) 19:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I support the removal. --Johnsemlak (talk) 19:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Replaced with Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:49, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Babri Mosque report

(BBC).Liberhan commission has presented it's report to Indian PM.--yousaf465 12:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I support its notability, but the article has a multiple-issues tag ({{Article issues|cleanup=January 2009|peacock=January 2009|pov=December 2007}}), one of them dating from 2007. I doubt those can be solved in a few days. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Or perhaps you could update Liberhan Commission instead. Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Seems to be a partial/deliberate/selective leak. The PM got the report a while ago and it isn't officially public yet YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 20:27, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

So... are you suggesting we wait until it is officially made public? --BorgQueen (talk) 04:13, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The leaked version might have been deliberately taken out of xontext or sensationalised. Indian newspapers are very sensational and overwrought, so I would take this with a mountain of salt. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 04:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Comment Should we wait for the report to be tabled in Parliament or should we also add it right now ?

I think it also put in place why the office of CNN-IBN were attacked just 3 days ago because when I saw the attack live I was just amazed why are they attacking this channel Hindu nationalists attack Mumbai office of Indian TV news network Now I understand as it was the first one to how commission's report put blame on the accused BJP furious, Cong mum on Liberhan report .

Well the 'a selective leakage' comments were made by Murli Manohar Joshi, who is also indicated in the report.--yousaf465 04:54, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Tabled (IndianExpress) The report has been tabled in the Indian Parliament. So it I think we can go ahead.--yousaf465 07:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Updated: It has been updated.--yousaf465 14:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted.--chaser (talk) 16:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

November 22

November 22, 2009 (Sunday)

An Algerian court acquits Abdulli Feghoul, who had been detained at Guantanamo Bay detention camp without trial for almost seven years. (AP) (BBC)
Efren Peñaflorida, who started a "pushcart classroom" in the Philippines to provide education to poor children, is named the 2009 CNN Hero of the Year. (The Philippine Star)^{permanent dead link} (UPI) (CNN)
Three Royal National Lifeboat Institution crew members are located "in good condition" after their boat capsizes off County Wexford in Ireland. (RTÉ)
At least seven people are killed and more than 55 injured in a bombing in Assam, northeastern India. (Times of India) (Al Jazeera) (UPI)
A 400lb bomb partially explodes outside the headquarters of the Policing Board in Belfast, Northern Ireland. In another incident, three men are arrested after a shooting incident involving PSNI officers in the border village of Garrison, County Fermanagh. (The Daily Telegraph) (CNN) (RTÉ)
Romanians go to the polls for the first round of the presidential election and to vote on proposed parliamentary reform. (Agerpres) (BBC)
Jeong Nam-gyu, one of South Korea's most prolific serial killers, commits suicide in his cell on death row. (Joongang Daily) (BBC) (New York Times)
Former Iranian Vice President Mohammad-Ali Abtahi who was sentenced to six years imprisonment in connection with the June election protests is released on bail. (Xinhua) (AFP)
2009 Azerbaijan-Armenia negotiations in Munich: Azerbaijan and Armenia hold talks on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Azerbaijan has warned that the meeting of presidents in Munich will be "decisive" and that its troops are ready to take the territory by force unless there is a breakthrough in negotiations. (Reuters)
Debate is stoked over whether scientists have overstated the case for man-made climate change after computer hackers break into a server at University of East Anglia, the well-respected climate change research center. (Wall Street Journal) (Washington Post)
An Indonesian ferry carrying over 200 passengers sinks off the cost of Sumatra. (Jakarta Post) (AFP via News Limited) (China Daily)
The United States Senate votes to allow a debate on the healthcare reform bill. The debate is to begin on November 30, 2009. (The Guardian) (BBC News) (Voice of America) (MSNBC)
The number killed in an explosion in Heilongjiang province, China rises to 92. (BBC News) (Reuters) (Associated Press) (New York Times)

ITN candidates for November 22

Efren Peñaflorida

Efren Peñaflorida, who started a "pushcart classroom" in the Philippines to provide education to poor children, is named the 2009 CNN Hero of the Year. (The Philippine Star) (UPI) (CNN) The article has to be expanded though. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:49, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Expanded. Any comments? --BorgQueen (talk) 10:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. This is not something like Nobel peace prize. --Tone 10:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

MLS Cup 2009

In soccer, Real Salt Lake/the Los Angeles Galaxy win the MLS Cup 2009, defeating Real Salt Lake/the Los Angeles Galaxy by -whatever the score is-.

What do people thing of the MLS Cup? It isn't a recurring item, but it is the highest level of soccer in North America, but overall I think it might be rather minor on the soccer/football stage. Definetly not the highest-level in the world, but I thought I'd throw it out there. --Plasma Twa 2 16:58, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

No way this will be posted, I think. The normal procedure is to post sports champions when it's either an international tournament, which the MLS cup isnt' (the MLS cup technically includes Toronto, but that's not really enough), or if the champion represents the highest level of the sport in the world. Thus we post the NBA and Super Bowl winners as well as the Australian Football League winner. We also post winners of international soccer tourneys like the UEFA Champions League or the FIFA World Cup. Also, the MLS cup is not the highest level of soccer competition in North America. The Primera División de México is considered a much stronger competition. Technically, the CONCACAF Champions League should represent the highest level of club competion in N America, as it is open to teams from all of North America and represents the continental championship, though I don't believe it's a very prestigious tournament.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose The only thing that gives this a chance is that David Beckham is participating , but I don't thinks thats enough. This event has little to no interest even its own country. The British press will probably cover this more than the US press. And its defiantly not the highest level of play in North America, the Mexican league is. -- Coasttocoast (talk) 22:22, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose I think. Ireland also had one of these football cup finals today it would seem. I think they happen in every country. --can dle •wicke 01:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Note: The MLS Cup is a league competition, not a cup competition. –Howard the Duck 05:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. I believe in the past we've decided that winning the UEFA Champion's League constituted the annual pinnacle of achievement in the realm of club football/soccer. The Tom (talk) 05:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Strong oppose dozens of national leagues stronger than this one, let alone continental ones. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 20:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

2009 Azerbaijan-Armenia negotiations in Munich

Azeri President Ilham Aliyev has warned he is ready to use force to wrest control of the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region from Armenia if last-ditch peace talks fail.--TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:02, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Leaning towards oppose. Just a warning is usually not bad enough. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Climategate

Computer hackers have broken into a server at the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit in Britain and posted hundreds of private e-mails and documents online. 14 15 --BorgQueen (talk) 07:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Interesting. --can dle •wicke 08:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

SupportWhere are does email I want to see them ;) --yousaf465 12:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Suggested blurb: Unidentified hackers leak more than 1,000 private e-mails and 3,000 other documents on climate change research, stolen from a server at the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. I can't see the big deal here. Perhaps I'm reading this wrong but the leaked documents, such as discussions of scientific data and how to combat the arguments of climate change sceptics, hardly seem to be highly sensitive state secrets or anything. --Johnsemlak (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

We are not talking about state secrets here, but the scientific data stolen has defiantly caused a steer in world. This is more important than even if some hacker in afghanistan could have got hold of CIA agents names and addressees.--yousaf465 14:20, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

What 'scientific data' has been stolen actually? It seems to me that the leaked emails contain 'discussions' of scientific data rather.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Seems like a storm in a tea-cut to me. Thue | talk 19:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

This item seems to be growing, many are quoted to assert that these documents critically undermine the integrity of one side of the climate change debate. I can see prolific coverage in my own language, so either Norwegians have an unusual interest in this story or it has gathered widespread international coverage and a developing debate is taking place. Also, I notice that our article is also being significantly expanded. I suggest we prioritize this now. __meco (talk) 17:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I agree with meco. Indeed, the article has been expanded a lot. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:13, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The WP article itself states that the fallout from the hackings has not changed the facts that we know about global warming. There is no concrete evidence that global warming is a hoax or some similar development. Perhaps I don't understand the academia here but I find it hard to believe that these hacked emails at East Anglia University could contain anything that undermines the integrity of the entire global scientific community.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:25, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I agree with BorgQueen. For me the press quotes in the article put this over the edge. Although there is a legitimate argument that these emails mean nothing, we're not supposed to take sides. If we post, I'd favor changing the hook. How about "Climate change scientists' emails are stolen and published online, stirring debate in advance of a UN Conference on climate change." Or simply "...stirring debate." Thoughts?--chaser (talk) 18:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I'm not sure how posting this or not posting this is taking sides. Given the fact that coverage of this hasn't been overwhelming and hasn't gotten prominent headlines at the BBC or NYTimes etc., I don't there's huge pressure to post this. If we do, I suggest we stick with Borgqueen's original blurb. Stick with the facts and avoid a vague phrase like 'stirs debate'.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Ok, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:42, 24 November 2009 (UTC)reply

China mine blast

87 people are confirmed dead and 21 are feared trapped in a large explosion in a mine near Hegang in Heilongjiang province, China, making it the worst such accident in China's recent history. I've recently created the relevant article, now that "worst accident in recent history" seems to satisfy WP:N- this is getting a lot of media attention worldwide and seems significant enough... HJMitchell You rang? 05:09, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Strong Support - TouLouse (talk) 07:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. --can dle •wicke 08:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Sumatra ferry sink

A ferry with 200 passengers sunk in Sumatra, Indonesia. TouLouse (talk) 07:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

source. Still need an article. It's going to take a bit of time to find out the death toll on this one.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:17, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support but when updated.--yousaf465 12:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when article is created.Shinerunner (talk) 14:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. --can dle •wicke 01:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The name of the ship is Dumai Express 10. So far there are 29 deaths and 17 missing.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I have created the article, but I am not sure posting this would be such a good idea. The BBC and AFP stories both indicate that sinkings due to overcrowding are common in this archipelago country where transport by ferry is routine. If a horrific car accident in the United States killed 29 people, would we post that?--chaser (talk) 05:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I tend to agree with chaser. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

If 29 people were killed in an accident in the US there would be a lot of support for posting it. We posted the Fort Hood shooting spree which killed half that. That said, I agree ferry sinkings are extremely common in that part of the world. It seems like every month there's such an event.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

If it was in the US, it would definitely get posted, but due to our natural bias and the infrequent occurrence of ferry crashes here--Coasttocoast (talk) 09:35, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

There are a lot of shootings in the US, and if 29 people got killed, they'll probably get posted. My point is, maybe sinking ferries in Indonesia is common, but 29 people dying is not so. ... (talk) 10:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)reply

November 21

November 21, 2009 (Saturday)

Protestors gather at the French Embassy in Dublin in a continuation of the dispute with FIFA over the controversial handball incident in the 2010 FIFA World Cup qualifying match between France and Republic of Ireland. (RTÉ) (The Irish Times) (BBC)
President of Egypt Hosni Mubarak says on national television he will not tolerate the "humiliation" of Egyptian nationals abroad following the riots between Algeria and Egypt over a qualifying match for the 2010 World Cup. (BBC)
Italian police arrest two Pakistani nationals suspected of providing logistical support to the group responsible for the attacks in Mumbai in 2008. (The Hindu) (Reuters) (BBC News)
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and Pope Benedict XVI agree to "seek closer relations" in a meeting in Rome. (BBC News) (The Daily Telegraph) (Associated Press)
Floods in Great Britain and Ireland:
- British Prime Minister Gordon Brown travels to Cumbria to meet victims of the floods that have affected the area. (BBC News)
- Ireland's Emergency Co-Ordination Committee meets to discuss the flooding. Green Party leader and Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government John Gormley visits the scene of the worst damage in Cork and describes it as "a once in 800 years event". (RTÉ) (The Irish Times) (Sky News) (The Straits Times)
U.S. President Barack Obama's job approval rating slips below 50 percent in a daily tracking survey by Gallup poll. (Reuters)
New research concludes that Homo floresiensis, discovered in 2003, is a distinct species and not a previously known species with dwarfism or microcephaly. (The Daily Telegraph) (U.S. News)
Sri Lanka's government announces that Tamil refugees held in camps since the end of the conflict with the Tamil Tigers will be free to leave the camps next month. (Al Jazeera) (BBC) (The Island)
A gas blast at a coal mine in Heilongjiang province, northeastern China, kills 42 people and traps 66. (BBC) (Xinhua)(AP)
The Netherlands win the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2009 with the song "Click Clack" by Ralf Mackenbach. (NOS)

ITN candidates for November 21

"Hobbits" are a separate species

A research concludes that Homo floresiensis, discovered in 2003, is a distinct species and not a previously known species with dwarfism or microcephaly. 16 17 Does anyone think this is significant enough? The article is FA, so it might require some more caution when updating. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:24, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. Yes, I think this is significant. Offliner (talk) 19:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. This one is on par with our headlining of Darwinius. __meco (talk) 02:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Updated. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

There's some concern about this at WP:ERRORS. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 23:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

LHC

The Large Hadron Collider, the largest atom collider in the world, is restarted after a fourteen-month delay for repairs. (The Daily Telegraph) (BBC) (Reuters). It seems pretty significant with people talking about discovering the "origins of the universe". Anyone have an opinion? HJMitchell You rang? 18:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

If people are just talking about it perhaps it is best to wait until they do? --can dle •wicke 19:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Perhaps. This seems to be getting significant coverage (which is why I nominated it) but I couldn't possibly claim to understand the complexities if the physics. HJMitchell You rang? 19:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. Offliner (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The article has already been featured on 10 September 2008, and I am not certain if we should feature it again now. Besides, it is only matter of time until we get more notable stories regarding this machine, it seems... 18 --BorgQueen (talk) 07:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I agree here. Let's wait until they make the Higgs particle or a black hole or whatever new physics they may find. This time they intentionally did not make a big story about restart, why should we? (I am sure there will be a couple of interesting stories coming soon.) --Tone 16:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Agreed, first time it was switched on was notable, second time is not so much - Dumelow (talk) 20:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

November 20

November 20, 2009 (Friday)

The Large Hadron Collider, the largest atom collider in the world, is restarted after a fourteen-month delay for repairs. (The Daily Telegraph) (BBC) (Reuters)
Three political parties file a motion of no confidence against French Polynesian President Oscar Temaru. (Tahitipresse)
The United States Senate clears Senator Roland Burris of legal wrongdoing in relation to his appointment to the Senate. (WLS Chicago)
At least 100 people are killed and around 50,000 displaced in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, with some fleeing to the Republic of the Congo, in an ethnic conflict over fishing rights. (BBC) (Times LIVE)^{permanent dead link} (People's Daily)
Officials from the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia, China and the United States express "regret" at Iran's refusal to accept nuclear proposals. (Reuters)
200 European football matches are under investigation in a match-fixing inquiry, at least three from the UEFA Champions League and 12 from the UEFA Europa League as Europe's biggest ever match-fixing scandal is revealed. (BBC) (IOL) (Bangkok Post)
FIFA turns down the Football Association of Ireland's request for a rematch between France and Republic of Ireland, after a controversial handball decided the 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification playoff between the two countries. (RTÉ) (Sky News) (CNN)
The Iraq Football Association is suspended by FIFA following government interference. (FIFA)
35 people are injured and fire bombs are thrown after Egyptian riot police clash with protesters at a demonstration outside the Algerian embassy in Cairo, following Egypt's defeat in a World Cup qualifying playoff match. (BBC) (Ennahar)
Floods in Great Britain and Ireland:
- The Irish Defence Forces are deployed to assist civil authorities after widespread flooding hits the west and south of Ireland after the heaviest rainfall in over thirty years falls in one night. The worst affected areas are Cork and Galway, where there is widespread disruption to public transport and services and several major roads are closed. Lectures at University College Cork are cancelled as the university is submerged. (RTÉ) (The Irish Times) (Ireland Online)
- Cumbria, England: A high volume of people, including one policeman, are declared missing, more than 200 people are rescued in Cockermouth and a bridge collapses in Workington during floods. The body of a policeman is later recovered. (BBC)
Somalia announces it is to ratify the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, leaving the United States the only country not to ratify it. (BBC)
Colombia accuses Venezuelan troops of blowing up two border bridges between the two countries. (Colombia Reports) (El Universal) (Al Jazeera)
At least five people are killed, including the gunman, and a further eight injured in a spree shooting in Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands. (Saipan Tribune) (BBC) (AP)
MS Oasis of the Seas, the world's largest cruise ship, is officially unveiled at Fort Lauderdale, Florida, live on an American morning television show. (The Independent)
Brenda, a transsexual named in a sex scandal involving former Lazio governor Piero Marrazzo, is found burned alive following a fire at her Rome flat. (BBC) (The Daily Telegraph) (Reuters)
Two fingers and a tooth belonging to astronomer Galileo Galilei are located more than 100 years after their disappearance. (BBC)

ITN candidates for November 20

Romanian presidential election

The first round of the Romanian presidential election, 2009 will occur which may see one of the candidates achieve enough votes to become president. Otherwise the run-off (between the top two) will be held on 6 December - Dumelow (talk) 20:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)reply

Moved from future events. It doesn't look like there will be a winner in the first round but it's here just in case there is - Dumelow (talk) 19:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

it has gone to a run-off so it is now in future events - Dumelow (talk) 09:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Galileo Galilei

Bits of his body found. Now "everything is back in responsible hands". --can dle •wicke 02:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support because the picture is copyrighted, whew. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

If someone's entire body (or at least skull/head) has been lost and found, I will definitely support as long as the person is notable enough to be in history books. But just some small parts of the body...? Leaning towards oppose. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. I initially supported this but the photo is still making me sick two days later. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:36, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oh my, Susan, it is just a finger! :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 04:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC)reply

UK & Ireland floods

"Continued flooding, affecting Great Britain and Ireland, results in the death of a police officer when a bridge collapses at Workington." Jolly Ω Janner 20:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

You might want to use the terms "Great Britain and Ireland" as this is a geographical article, rather than a political one. Jolly Ω Janner 20:53, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I've changed it to Great Britain as the article now covers events in the Isle of Man. Mjroots (talk) 07:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. I'm not very aware of what is going on in Great Britain (although I know one policeman has been killed and several bridges have collapsed) but Ireland "is facing a multi-million euro clean-up bill after some of the worst flooding in living memory", with one town resembling a mini-Venice. The city of Cork's water supply has been shut down. University College Cork now apparently resembles www.examiner.com/x-18528-NY-Irish-American-Community-Examiner~y2009m11d20-New-York-Irish-concerned-for-worst-flooding-in-living-memory-in-Cork-City-and-elsewhere "a broad lake" as all lectures are cancelled for at least one week. Electricity has been cut off in Galway. Government ministers have been viewing the devastation. The Irish Times provides a round-up of the worst hit areas. Oh, and there's more on the way. --can dle •wicke 02:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Comment I'm not sure of the procedure here, but this article should still be a candidate for consideration for ITN today. Further bad weather is forecast over this weekend, and the article still remains "current". Full disclosure - I created the article, thus have some interest in getting a rare "ITN". I'm happy for other editors to judge the event on its merits as to whether or not it is included. Mjroots (talk) 07:46, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I agree. But I'd like to ask for a slightly more descriptive blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:16, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

To that end, I've expanded the hook. Mjroots (talk) 10:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Thanks. I will wait for a while for someone else's support before posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:35, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I support posting - it could also be mentioned that the record for the amount of rain falling in any UK place within 24 hours looks like it has been broken (relevant articles Seathwaite, Allerdale & UK rainfall records). The Met Office are calling it provisional but the Environment Agency (it is their gauging station) say it is a record. JMiall ₰ 12:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:16, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Algeria–Egypt relations

Algeria–Egypt relations; Foreign relations of Algeria; Foreign relations of Egypt

"Cairo recalls its ambassador to Algeria after soccer violence". "Relations between the two countries have been recently marred by football fanaticism, which reached its peak right before and after the crucial match that ended when Egypt defeated Algeria 2-0 at Cairo International Stadium on Saturday". --can dle •wicke 12:15, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when we have an update somewhere for the recall of the ambassador - Dumelow (talk) 10:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Updated.

 Egypt recalls its ambassador to Algeria in a dispute which follows a qualifying match between the nations for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

--can dle •wicke 04:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Congo fishing rights

(BBC) More than 100 have been killed and 50,000 forced to flee after clashes between two ethnic groups over fishing rights in the Democratic Republic of Congo. No sign of an article yet - Dumelow (talk) 16:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

No, it is a real pity. --can dle •wicke 02:14, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

East African Community

(BBC) The leaders of the East African countries agree to implement a common market in July 2010. Do we want the agreement on ITN now or just the implementation in July (if so I'll stick this in future events)? - Dumelow (talk) 16:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Future events it would appear. --can dle •wicke 09:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

November 19

November 19, 2009 (Thursday)

New guidelines from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists for cervical cancer screening suggest that a woman should have her first pap smear at age 21. (New York Times)
Google releases the source code of its open source Operating system Chrome OS. (PCMAG)
U.S. media mogul and talk show host Oprah Winfrey announces she will end her long running talk show in 2011. (AP via Newser)
European Union / Three new positions created by the Treaty of Lisbon:
- The Prime Minister of Belgium, Herman Van Rompuy, is chosen as the first permanent President of the European Council by European Union leaders. (BBC)
- British politician Catherine Ashton is selected as EU's first Foreign Minister. (BBC News)
- French diplomat Pierre de Boissieu is selected as the first Secretary-General of the Council of the European Union. (AFP via Google News)
Yemeni government forces say they have killed a leader during fighting with Houthi rebels in the north of the country. (Reuters)
Egypt recalls its ambassador to Algeria after complaints about violence towards its football fans after a World Cup play off. Sudan also summons its envoy to Egypt over media coverage of the game's aftermath. (BBC) (AFP) (Al Bawaba)
Irish politicians, including Taoiseach Brian Cowen, call for a controversial football playoff for the 2010 FIFA World Cup between France and Republic of Ireland to be replayed as the Football Association of Ireland lodges an official complaint with FIFA. (RTÉ) (The Guardian) (Radio Netherlands) (The LA Times)
The discovery of three ancient crocodile species, Kaprosuchus saharicus, Araripesuchus rattoides and Laganosuchus thaumastos, is announced. (AP) (National Geographic News) (Times Online)
The European Court of Justice rules that airlines will have to pay compensation to passengers who experience delays of more than three hours. (Independent) (European Court of Justice)
Bangladesh's Supreme Court upholds the death sentences of five former soldiers convicted of assassinating the country's founder, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. (bdnews24.com) (Al Jazeera) (BBC)
Zimbabwe begins withdrawing soldiers from diamond mines after recommendations by the Kimberley Process regarding human rights abuses. (The Herald) (Reuters South Africa) (AFP)
The Russian Constitutional Court prolongs a ban on the death penalty. The moratorium had been due to expire on January 1. (RIA Novosti) (BBC) (Xinhua)
Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo steps down as head of the ruling Lakas-Kampi-CMD party and endorses her former defense minister Gilberto Teodoro for President. (Straits Times) (BBC) (Philippine Star)^{permanent dead link}
Cambodia takes control of a Thai-owned air traffic control firm in a deepening diplomatic row between the two countries. (Thai News Agency) (BBC) (UPI)
A suicide blast near the judicial complex in Peshawar, Pakistan, kills at least 17 people and wounds more than 30 others. (NY Times)

ITN candidates for November 19

Jeanne-Claude dies

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~~Artist and wife of Christo, Jeanne-Claude (work pictured) dies at age 74.~~

Support. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:21, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose for now. If nothing else, the article is too short, one sentence update. --Tone 14:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose - lack of citations. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 22:58, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

You're right. I added as much as possible from the NYT and will try to find more. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

A lot more added. Any support? -SusanLesch (talk) 03:23, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

OK. --can dle •wicke 05:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

If she is a notable artist on her own right, she shouldn't be called someone's wife on Main Page (even if her husband's name is slightly more well-known). --BorgQueen (talk) 11:01, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I had never heard of either of them so it's difficult for me to judge this. One thing I would like is some more concrete evidence in the article about any recognition she has received as an artist (e.g. awards), and there is not section on her influence (which is pretty standard for major artistic figures).--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't know but think you can just say Jeanne-Claude and not wife of (they have a history of having their work co-identified but you're right, BorgQueen). Johnsemlak, I don't think she got awards, just was awarded the job at a number of notable venues. Let me know if I can improve the article any more to make it acceptable. The joint article is a stumbling block. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)reply

To me the article is rather problematic. Aside from (and probably stemming from) the issue of a joint article, there's no proper biography section for Jeanne Claude (which results in the update on her death being in an unexpected location in the article). As I said before, there's no section on her or the couple's influence or legacy. I realize that she just died and her husband is still living but they had been active for long enough that if they were "a key figure in their field of expertise", they ought to have been highly influential.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:44, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I thought a woman artist was a good idea for the Main Page. But now agree that she wasn't an independent--it took two people to be Christo and Jeanne-Claude. So withdrawing the suggestion. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:01, 22 November 2009 (UTC)reply

First EU Foreign minister

British politician Catherine Ashton (pictured) is selected as EU's first Foreign Minister. --Hapsala (talk) 20:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Again, the update is currently too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

And calling her post "Foreign Minister" is convenient, but inaccurate. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The article has been well updated. I'd like to wait for supports before posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:20, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

This can be added to the existing blurb, it is the same topic after all. --Tone 14:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Ok, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

First EU President

Herman van Rompuy

Belgian Prime Minister Herman Van Rompuy (pictured) is chosen as the first permanent President of the European Council. --Hapsala (talk) 20:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Thanks but already nominated below. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Currently the update is too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:31, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Discovery of three ancient crocodile species announced

19: Kaprosuchus saharicus, Araripesuchus rattoides, Laganosuchus thaumastos. Can someone create the articles? --BorgQueen (talk) 18:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Suggested blurb: The discovery of ancient crocodile genera, Kaprosuchus and Laganosuchus, in Morocco and Niger is announced. Apparently the genus Araripesuchus is not new, according to the article. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support No need to mention the country of discovery ? --yousaf465 04:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Ok, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

USACE responsible for Katrina flooding

A US court finds the the Army Corps of Engineers was negligent in maintaining New Orleans levees that resulted in flooding during Hurricane Katrina. (CNN, LA Times).
- Decision leaves US government up to billions in claims. Grsz¹¹ 17:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply
- Most relevant article is probably U.S. Army Corps of Engineers civil works controversies (New Orleans)#Legal issues in New Orleans. Grsz¹¹ 17:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:21, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Done. Grsz¹¹ 17:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

That was fast, thanks. I'd like someone else's support before posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:33, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

This isn't getting very much coverage.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't think that's accurate. "army corps" katrina. Not to mention the possible ramifications. Grsz¹¹ 18:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

OK I should have been more specific. Mainstream media outlets are not giving it prominent coverage. On the NYTimes site I have to scroll down to the bottom to see it. However, I agree the ramifications seem potentially significant.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support - But the wording needs changing as some flooding of New Orleans would of happened anyway during Katrina. As there would of been some freshwater flooding and a surge from Lake Pontchartrain.Jason Rees (talk) 22:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

A new blurb please? --BorgQueen (talk) 07:14, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

A United States district court finds the Army Corps of Engineers was negligent in maintaining New Orleans levees that contributed to flooding during Hurricane Katrina. Grsz¹¹ 16:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Assassination of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman

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The Supreme Court of Bangladesh upholds the death sentences of five former soldiers convicted of assassinating the country's founder, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman (pictured). (BBC) --BorgQueen (talk) 15:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

We customarily post the first conviction, but in this case it predates the birth of ITN so I suppose it could be justified to feature this now. Murdering a country's founder is an extremely serious charge and I believe it is notable enough for ITN. The update needs to be expanded though... Any supports? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

EU meets to appoint a president

(BBC) The EU meets to appoint a president and foreign policy chief. Not really much of a democratic event but still a fairly important appointment - Dumelow (talk) 11:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when the result is known and the article President of the European Council is updated accordingly. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:42, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support The appointment of a figurehead and foreign policy czar for the world's biggest economic unit is significant enough. HonouraryMix (talk) 10:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support Only when the result is know.--yousaf465 12:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

File:Herman Van Rompuy portrait cropped.jpg

They chose Herman Van Rompuy. 20 --BorgQueen (talk) 19:54, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

However, we need to wait for an official confirmation. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:59, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support only noting that Van Rompuy is appointed as the first President of the European Council. Grsz¹¹ 20:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Why not the foreign policy chief? --BorgQueen (talk) 20:05, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support, and I really can't see any viable objection on this one, but the job is President of the European Council: the title in Grsz11's proposal is no more than a media shorthand for a proposed role. Equally, Cathy Ashton's new role is officially High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, an article that does not currently exist. Kevin McE (talk) 20:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The article for Ashton's job is actually at High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy which redirects to the older name of High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy (which has a section on the new job), confusing stuff - Dumelow (talk) 20:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Confusing it is. I've created the new article that was formerly a redirect. Grsz¹¹ 20:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Odd: I've just found it at High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy (even longer!) Kevin McE (talk) 20:21, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. Per usual "when updated" etc. Cargoking talk 22:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support/ I know the update may be short/incomplete right now, but it seems to be at least as a big of a deal as Obama. I can hardly believe that this isn't up on the main page yet. —Goodtimber (walk/talk) 01:59, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I am confused to how the naming of the EU president is still not on the main page! Obama's was updated in 4 minutes, and this one, the 1^st president is still not up after 3 hours!? Nergaal (talk) 02:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Maybe because them Americans update quickly? –Howard the Duck 02:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

And maybe because he didn't want the job. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I dunno how this position was chosen, but it was either Obama or McCain anyway, and they could've planned it for months. I think this one was a bit harder since there were no clear frontrunners. –Howard the Duck 02:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Updated enough; posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

False comparison: this job is by no means a direct parallel with US president. He is called a president because he presides over a body (the European Council): he is not a head of state. But still support. Kevin McE (talk) 07:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

November 18

November 18, 2009 (Wednesday)

The France national football team beat the Republic of Ireland at the Stade de France to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup finals in South Africa, with Thierry Henry admitting after the game that he committed handball in the move leading to the decisive goal. (The Daily Telegraph)
The population of Africa reaches one billion. (BBC)
The Government of Hong Kong unveils a new democratic political reform plan, which includes the expansion of the Legislative Council. (Radio Television Hong Kong) (Channel News Asia) (Straits Times)
Iraqi Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi vetos part of the country's new election law, putting the scheduled January 2010 elections in doubt. (Al Jazeera) (AP) (BBC)
Prime Minister of Australia Kevin Rudd announces that he will consider a probe of the Church of Scientology in Australia after an attack on the organization by independent parliamentarian Nick Xenophon. (BBC)
According to the 2009 Corruption Perceptions Index, Somalia is the most corrupt of 180 countries surveyed, and New Zealand is the least corrupt. (Reuters)
Four people are killed after a bomb left over from the Vietnam War explodes as they try to remove explosive material in southern Tây Ninh Province. (AFP)
Taiwanese universities announce they will admit mainland Chinese students for the first time next year. (Taiwan Today) (China Daily) (AFP)
Senator and President pro tempore of the United States Senate Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia becomes the longest serving member in the history of the United States Congress. (Associated Press)
Queen Elizabeth II officially opens the Parliament of the United Kingdom and delivers Her Majesty's Most Gracious Address. (Daily Telegraph) (BBC)

ITN candidates for November 18

Thierry Henry in World Cup qualification controversy

France national football team striker Thierry Henry (pictured) admits he committed handball in the the 1-1 draw against the Republic of Ireland which saw France qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup finals in South Africa. Telegraph ESPN AFP

This has to go up. The 1998 World Champions, reduced to begging for a place in the 2010 World Cup via a runner's up second qualification round, only manage to go through after a blatant bit of cheating to set up the decisive goal by one of the most famous footballers in the world. It's already being called Le Hand of God. MickMacNee (talk) 02:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I think you could mention the controversial goal, but perhaps expand the news in that last night was the last day of World Cup qualifiers and that the 32 teams are known now with Algeria, Slovenia, Greece, Portugal, Uruguay and France joining them cha ndl er 04:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose We cover who wins the World Cup, not who does or doesn't get in. Grsz¹¹ 04:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply
Honestly, how do people get away with responses like this? You haven't even read the nomination by the look of this reply. MickMacNee (talk) 14:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment To me it appears to significant one, but little controversial one.--yousaf465 04:54, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose: controversial decisions in sport happen every day; the understandable annoyance of the Irish does not constitute news. Besides, I don't want to be reminded of it... Kevin McE (talk) 07:05, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Once again, how do people get away with responses like this, that just don't even relate to the actual nomination? To claim this particular bad decision, with this sort of consequence, happens every day, is just patently false. MickMacNee (talk) 14:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. Ridiculous goal, but doesn't belong to ITN. Offliner (talk) 07:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Well, as ever, its pretty impossible to judge what does or doesn't belong on ITN until you waste the time drafting a nom. Its even harder when as with some of the above replies above, people don't even bother reading it. The section shouldn't even be called In the News for a start, its just blatant falsehood. MickMacNee (talk) 14:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose yea, its got alot of attention. But there's no precedent for putting them on ITN. If I were you MickMac I'd Assume Good Faith with editors who oppose your suggestions. Badgering gets you no where. Deserted Cities (talk) 14:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

How can I assume good faith when people make such obviously poor responses, which don't even bother to address the actual content of the nomination? MickMacNee (talk) 15:02, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I'm not sure how that statement is even valid. Everybody has said no, plus a reason. Grsz¹¹ 15:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

So, your insistence that this is just an announcement of who qualified is accurate yes? The insistence from Kevin that this happens everyday is accurate yes? These are reasons yes, but they certainly have nothing to do with the content of the actual nomination. MickMacNee (talk) 15:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

At the very least we should wait and see if FIFA issues a ruling on this and what sort of impact it has. I think its hard to justify posting this right now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

They already did - it is the standard 'referee's decision is final' judgement, but the FAI will appeal based on precedents, and because the referee didn't see it, but his FIFA assessor did. MickMacNee (talk) 18:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Comment. It is now a diplomatic incident. Still, I guess this happens everyday, right? Wrong. MickMacNee (talk) 18:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Asking for a rematch is hardly a diplomatic incident. Oppose --Plasma Twa 2 18:26, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

You know something, I'd love to see this up because the feeling among my fellow Irish people is so strong. Now everyone hates him and wants a proper rematch, even the Taoiseach. But I must keep a neutral view and ask myself "apart from the Irish and the French (and maybe some other Europeans) who gives a hoot about something like this". So I must agree and Oppose. Cargoking talk 18:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I think it would be inaccurate to say that nobody outside of Ireland or France 'give a hoot' about this. The World Cup is the world's largest sporting event and this incident has the potential to damage its integrity. There's certainly significant interest in this story: trending topic, Google News.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I underestimate the power of football. I can see why you think my comment is inaccurate. Maybe other people share my anger... Cargoking talk 18:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Happens every day, run of the mill, yadder yadder yadder. Does anyone opposing this nomination actually know anything about world football at all? If you think prime ministers get involved in stuff like this all the time, you are utterly utterly wrong. MickMacNee (talk) 19:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Thank you Mick. Everyone is now aware of your opinion as to whether this should be posted at ITN. Now please allow others to express their opinions without constant argument. Kevin McE (talk) 19:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Here, here. Cargoking talk 20:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Considering anytime Obama takes a dump it gets on ITN, and whenever the Space Shuttle transports loo rolls to the space station it gets on ITN, and considering the death of an elderly and ill US President is the only death that ever makes ITN, then as an Irishman, you should really be reflecting as to exactly what else Ireland related is ever going to make ITN in the next decade, if this is considered 'internationally unimportant'. MickMacNee (talk) 21:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. It would be great if it could be posted but I think not. I think the whole situation is ridiculous too but to approach it without all that emotion there is not much here (yet). They have only reached the stage of politicians exchanging comments, perhaps when it becomes even more serious and something happens such as the match being replayed (which seems to be unexpected) or France and Ireland cutting all diplomatic ties. It is possible that this could develop further but I will keep my support for when it does. --can dle •wicke 21:48, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Look Mick, I think you need to respect the opinion of the community. You mention Irish people, myself and Candlewicke are Irish and Kevin has Irish roots. Ireland, just like any other country gets its fair share of ITN. Yes this is a big incident, that makes headlines, but one handball in World Cup qualification playoff is far from notable. I think you should take the suggestions, cool down and stop debating (somewhat off the point) US centralism been there, done that. This isn't the place. Thanks, Cargoking talk 22:08, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Hurling final, referendum, resignation of Speaker: Ireland hasn't done badly in the last couple of months. Its ITN appearances don't need to be measured in decades. Kevin McE (talk) 22:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

LOL. You do realise the first two are automatic, and every country gets an ITN in those circumstances, however important or unimportant the country is on the world stage. As for John O'Donoghue (politician), how did that survive the inevitable opposition of 'not internationally significant' to get a listing? And I wonder how many ITN's the UK expenses pallaver garnered if that sort of thing is getting a listing. I equally wonder how domestic expenses scandals are important enough for ITN, and Africa breaching 1 million and the French football captain cheating to get France to the biggest football competition on the planet, isn't. Frankly, is ITN anything more than a glorified space and politics blog, is the real question. I am not kidding when I say that every single time I have decided to subject myself to the craziness that is trial by ITN, there has been a pre-existing political or space based entry on ITN. MickMacNee (talk) 00:23, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

And even though it is a politics blog, I find it hilarious nobody can be bothered to muster up 5 lines and three refs to support the current no-brainer candidate, the announcement of the new EU President! And what is part of his remit? Co-ordinating the introduction of a new EU directive to force FIFA to use video refereeing, called for as a direct result of this trivial little event! What marvelous irony. I bet he's also got the news about Africa on his mind too, even if Wkipedia hasn't. MickMacNee (talk) 00:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Africa tops 1 billion

The population of Africa has exceeded one billion people for the first time according to the United Nations Population Fund, and has doubled in the last 27 years. BBC

This has to be a no-brainer surely (I stole it from the current events list). MickMacNee (talk) 01:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Done. — Jake Wartenberg 03:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Sorry, I had to revert it. Its prose update consists of just one sentence. Please see Wikipedia:In_the_news#Updated_content: "The decision as to when an item is updated 'enough' is subjective, but a five sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) has generally been considered more than sufficient, while a one sentence update is considered extremely questionable." --BorgQueen (talk) 03:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when expanded. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose. I don't see the point in listing arbitrary and entirely predictable increases in population. There is no immediate impact of this non-event. Nothing particular about Africa, but I don't think population milestones should be included on ITN for any continent, country, or other region. Dragons flight (talk) 06:41, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

You say that as if an entire continent passing 1 billion happens everyday. Why you even think that this would lead to countries and regions being listed, and therfore you must nip this continent precedent in the bud now, is beyond me, it is a total over-reaction. As for being predictable, shuttle launches are predictable, elections are predictable, the death of ill presidents in their seventies is entriely predictable. No immediate impact? What impact did you expect? That the whole place sinks under the weight or something? Europe declares a state of emergency and closes its borders? How exactly do you define as impact anyway? What exactly is the impact of any of the current ITN entries? I can see only two out of the five that could even be considered as having a lasting impact. MickMacNee (talk) 14:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose little international impact. I concur with dragonflight, we all knew this would happen, and no one really cares. People do, however, care about elections and shuttle launches (and in the case of elections, we don't know the outcome 'til they happen). The solstices are predictable events, we don't put those on. Deserted Cities (talk) 14:33, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Sure, this event is the same as a solstice. Unbelievable. MickMacNee (talk) 14:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The only "event" that be said to have definitely happened is the publicaton of an estimated population figure. Kevin McE (talk) 19:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

And you point is what exactly? I am pretty sure that this is how it is done all the time, they don't actually count the people you know. MickMacNee (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Corruption Perceptions Index

According to the 2009 Corruption Perceptions Index published by Transparency International, Somalia is the most corrupt of 180 countries surveyed, and New Zealand is the least corrupt. (Reuters) This appears to be globally significant. Any supports? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)reply

The problem is that there is no prose update... Any volunteers? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't think this is ITN material... --Tone 16:33, 18 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Why might it not be ITN material may I ask? I may be able to update the prose a bit tonight. I've also been working on a way to make the table sortable by year as it is quite a mess to look at right now. Arsonal (talk) 19:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't think a yearly survey is that big of event, and there isn't a big change from the last list; all the top countries are still in the top. --Plasma Twa 2 19:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Thanks. I suppose you may be correct. It is also not on WP:ITNR. However, I will invite suggestions to on ways improve the article and the display of data at Talk:Corruption Perceptions Index. Arsonal (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)reply

It has caused quite a stir in Pakistan, but still I don't think it needs to go on Main page.--yousaf465 04:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Queen's Speech

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II officially opens the Parliament of the United Kingdom and delivers Her Majesty's Most Gracious Address. Telegraph- vast coverage in reliable sources (Telegraph, BBC etc) with much analysis to follow. I'm new at this so comments welcome! HJMitchell You rang? 12:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Thanks for the nomination. I, unfortunately, have to say no to this one. ITN candidates have to be considered from a worldwide perspective, and I don't think the opening of a parliament in one country is a significant enough event. HonouraryMix (talk) 13:37, 18 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I'll have to oppose as well, we don't have annual addresses from other heads of states. --Tone 16:33, 18 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose no one in England even cares about it, let alone on an international stage --UltraMagnus^speak 19:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Oppose Our president also address to parliament every year. Not ITN worthy.--yousaf465 05:08, 19 November 2009 (UTC)reply

November 17

November 17, 2009 (Tuesday)

A prominent human rights campaigner for the Western Sahara region, Aminatou Haidar, who is on hunger strike at an airport in the Canary Islands, is to appear in a Spanish court on charges of public disorder. (Reuters) (AFP)
The head of the opposition in Comoros is arrested after openly criticising President Ahmed Abdallah Mohamed Sambi. (IOL)
Slovakia and the Czech Republic mark the 20th anniversary of the Velvet Revolution which overthrew the communist government of Czechoslovakia. (CNN) (BBC)
A Russian icebreaker with 100 tourists on board is stranded in ice in the Antarctic. (AP) (RIA Novosti)
Israel approves a further 900 settler homes in a settlement in East Jerusalem. (Daily Telegraph) (Xinhua) (Jewish Telegraphic Agency)
Piracy in Somalia:
- A chemical tanker, the Singapore-operated MV Theresa VIII with 28 North Koreans on board, is seized by Somali pirates northwest of the Seychelles. (BBC) (AP)
- The Spanish ship Alakrana and its crew of 36 are released after a US$3.5 million ransom is paid. (Al Jazeera) (Channel News Asia)
An inquiry into a scandal known as "Indonesia's Watergate" says a police case against two anti-corruption officials should be dropped. (Jakarta Post) (BBC) (UPI)
South African human rights activist Kumi Naidoo becomes the executive director of Greenpeace, the first African to head the organisation. (AP)
U.S. President Barack Obama continues his first trip to China and meets with Chinese President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao. (Reuters) (Xinhua) (Asia Times Online)
The death toll after a ferry collided with an oil barge in the Irrawaddy Delta, off the coast of Burma, rises to 50. (Al Jazeera)
The Original of Laura, an incomplete novel by Russian writer Vladimir Nabokov, is published 32 years after his death despite his wish that its manuscript be burned. (BBC News) (The Independent) (The Cornell Daily Sun)

ITN candidates for November 17

626 Ethiopian Troops Killed in Clashes according to rebels

21 Is there an aritcle on this?--Coasttocoast (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when created or located. --can dle •wicke 21:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

"50 feared dead in Burma ferry accident"

At least 50 people are feared drowned after a passenger ferry crashed into an oil barge in Burma. Cargoking talk 15:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. --can dle •wicke 21:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Leonids meteor shower

Leonids meteor shower occurs annually in November - occuring November 10-21, 2009 with a peak - November 17 Watch Out for Leonids 2009 Meteor Shower which may produce upwards of 500 meteors per hour - NASA SriMesh | talk 19:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)reply

The Original of Laura

The Original of Laura, an incomplete novel by Russian writer Vladimir Nabokov, is published 32 years after his death despite his wish that its manuscript be burned. (BBC News) This is certainly more notable than Belle de Jour, I think. The article has already been well-updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:23, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Suggested blurb: The Original of Laura, a novel by Russian writer Vladimir Nabokov, is published despite his wish that its manuscript be burned. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support As you say your Majesty. do we need to mention thatg he died 32 years ago.--yousaf465 11:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

No, not really. :) --BorgQueen (talk) 11:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. Nabokov is widely considered one of the greatest writers of the last century, and I believe no one will seriously object. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:26, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Well still nobody has. --yousaf465 11:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. Offliner (talk) 13:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

It seems to be of significance that it is published posthumously against his will. Perhaps the blurb should mention "his dying wish"? Arsonal (talk) 14:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

How about "... published posthumously"? "His dying wish" sounds a bit informal. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

I guess that works too. :) Arsonal (talk) 14:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:18, 17 November 2009 (UTC)reply

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