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These are a series of scientific articles I am unable to access online. I have checked the Wikipedia Library as well as Google Scholar. Most of these are unlikely to be in English. Two of them (the ones by Bakr) I suspect are rare outside of Pakistan.
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Pons-Moyà, Joan (1987). "Fortunictis nov. gen. acerensis nov. sp. nuevo Metailurini (Mammalia, Carnivora) del Mioceno superior de la Península Ibérica" Fortunictis nov. gen. acerensis nov. sp. new Metailurini (Mammalia, Carnivora) from the Upper Miocene of the Iberian Peninsula.. Paleontologia i evolució (in Spanish) (21): 63–68. S2CID 133680588. -
Crusafont-Pairo, M.; Aguirre, E. (1972). "Stenailurus, Félidé nouveau du Turolien d'Éspagne" Stenailurus, A New Felid of the Turolian of Spain. Annales de Paléontologie (in French). 58 (2): 211–223. -
Schmidt-Kittler, Norbert (1976). "Raubtiere aus dem Jungtertiär Kleinasiens" Carnivores from the Late Tertiary of Asia Minor. Palaeontographica Abteilung A (in German). 155: 1–131. -
Bakr, A. (1969). "A new genus of large cat from Upper Siwaliks". Pakistan Journal of Zoology. 1 (2): 135–140. - Bakr, A. (1986). "On a collection of Siwalik Carnivora". Biological Society of Pakistan. Monograph 11: 1–64.
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von Koenigswald, G. H. R. (1934). "Zur Stratigraphie des javanischen Pleistocan" On the stratigraphy of the Javanese Pleistocene. De Ingenieur in Nederlandsch Indie (in German). 1 (4): 190. hdl:1887.1/item:2451806. -
von Koenigswald, G.H.R. (1974). "Fossil mammals of Java part 6 Machairodontinae from the lower Pleistocene of Java". Proceedings of the Koninklijke Nederlandse Akademie van Wetenschappen Series B Physical Sciences. 77 (4): 267–273. INIST PASCALGEODEBRGM7520066100.
For (in order) Fortunictis, Stenailurus, Miomachairodus, Sivapardus, Panthera dhokpathanensis, and Hemimachairodus (the last two)
Thanks, SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:22, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- Doing... nos. 4 and 6. Struck out on the rest. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- @SilverTiger12, Are you sure about the publication information you cite for number 6? I'm looking at what I think is volume one issue 4 and just can't find that article. Also the link you provide is to a november issue, issue 4 is from April. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:53, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, no, I'm not certain about the publication information; I tracked it down as a potential source second or third-hand a while ago. Doing a search again, I can't track down where the issue 4 part came from, just that it is in volume 1. My apologies. SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, I will look through volume 1. Unfortunately it has no real page numbers. But I will do my best, and ping you when I track it down. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- @SilverTiger12 and @Doc Taxon, I've got no. 4. Doc, will send it to you. ST, can you email me and I will respond with a pdf Eddie891 Talk Work 14:41, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Email sent. SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:32, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sent Eddie891 Talk Work 15:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Not to be rude, Eddie, but the article refers to a "Plate I", with 4 figures, that isn't in the PDF. Do you also have that or no? Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sent Eddie891 Talk Work 15:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Email sent. SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:32, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, no, I'm not certain about the publication information; I tracked it down as a potential source second or third-hand a while ago. Doing a search again, I can't track down where the issue 4 part came from, just that it is in volume 1. My apologies. SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- @SilverTiger12, Are you sure about the publication information you cite for number 6? I'm looking at what I think is volume one issue 4 and just can't find that article. Also the link you provide is to a november issue, issue 4 is from April. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:53, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Doing... nos. 1, 2, 7 – Doc Taxon • Talk • 22:10, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- @SilverTiger12: Please send me a wikimail to provide you with the nos. 1, 2, 7. – Doc Taxon • Talk • 21:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Eddie891: no 6. is at pages 185–201 in vol. 1, unfortunately I don't know the issue number, but volume 1 has issues 1-5. – Doc Taxon • Talk • 21:13, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Done. Thank you! SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- @SilverTiger12: Please send me a wikimail to provide you with the nos. 1, 2, 7. – Doc Taxon • Talk • 21:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- @SilverTiger12: Please clarify what portions of this request are complete and what portions are still outstanding. The tradition method is to
strikethe list items that you no longer need. Next week I'll be at a library that has 3, 4, and 6, but am reluctant to spend my limited time there scanning hundreds of pages if you may not still need them. --Worldbruce (talk) 19:34, 28 October 2023 (UTC)- @Worldbruce: I have done so. Only 3, 5, and 6 are still needed. Unfortunately I don't think I can narrow down the needed page ranges in 3 and 6. Although for 3 the most needed part is the section on felids (cats), Miomachairodus in specific, if you only have limited time. And for 6, close to the same: section on felids, Epimachairodus zwierzykii in specific. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:43, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- SilverTiger12, email me for #3. --Usernameunique (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- Done. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- SilverTiger12, sent (in two emails due to size). --Usernameunique (talk) 17:31, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
- Received. Thank you! SilverTiger12 (talk) 14:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- SilverTiger12, sent (in two emails due to size). --Usernameunique (talk) 17:31, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
- Done. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- SilverTiger12, email me for #3. --Usernameunique (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Worldbruce: I have done so. Only 3, 5, and 6 are still needed. Unfortunately I don't think I can narrow down the needed page ranges in 3 and 6. Although for 3 the most needed part is the section on felids (cats), Miomachairodus in specific, if you only have limited time. And for 6, close to the same: section on felids, Epimachairodus zwierzykii in specific. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:43, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- In case it helps at all, here are some URLs for #5:
- https://opac.nlp.gov.pk/index.php?p=show_detail&id=97043&keywords=
- https://www.google.com/books/edition/Proceedings_of_Pakistan_Congress_of_Zool/LIQPAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22On+a+Collection+of+Siwalik+Carnivora%22&dq=%22On+a+Collection+of+Siwalik+Carnivora%22&printsec=frontcover
- WorldCat entries: https://search.worldcat.org/title/923378119, https://search.worldcat.org/title/62447645, https://search.worldcat.org/title/159811874, https://search.worldcat.org/title/918261940
- You can preview different little bits of it by searching through the book for "Panthera" and "pathanensis".
- Let me know you think if it would be useful for me to request an interlibrary loan (which can be physical or digital) for chapter 105 of "Proceedings of Fourth Pakistan Congress of Zoology" through my university. The second WorldCat link says that University of Minnesota, Twin Cities has a copy, and both it and my university are in the Big Ten Academic Alliance, so it should be more likely to be accepted and should be processed faster, compared to it being at some unaffiliated institution.
- Solomon Ucko (talk) 02:15, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- A lead! Thank you! I've had a hard enough time finding this source to say yes, please request the interlibrary loan. I think that might actually be what I'm looking for. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Perfect! I've requested an ILL for it; I'll let you know when I get updates on its status. Solomon Ucko (talk) 20:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- @SilverTiger12: I've received the scan. It's short enough that I'll just transcribe it here:
- Perfect! I've requested an ILL for it; I'll let you know when I get updates on its status. Solomon Ucko (talk) 20:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- A lead! Thank you! I've had a hard enough time finding this source to say yes, please request the interlibrary loan. I think that might actually be what I'm looking for. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
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105. On a Collection of Siwalik Carnivora
Abu Bakr
Department of Zoology, University of the Punjab, Lahore
In the Department of Zoology, Punjab University, the total number of the speciments of fossil Carnivora is eighteen. More collection was made last year. The total number of species that discovered is sixteen. Of these four i.e. Vishnucyon nagriensis, Sivaonyx minor, Lycaena felina and Panthera dhokpathanensis are new. The other speciments also given additional information about the known species. The work has been carried out under Pakistan Foundation, Project No. P-PU/Bio (102).
— p. 51
- This is page 51, and https://search.worldcat.org/title/62447645 says the book is 51 pages in total, so this is presumably the last page, so that's it.
- Solomon Ucko (talk) 20:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hm, so I'm still looking for the monograph itself. Thank you though. SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh right, hmm... Should I try requesting an inter-library loan and see if my university's librarians can figure something out, perhaps borrowing it or getting a scan from the National Library of Pakistan? Solomon Ucko (talk) 01:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's a long shot, but I'd appreciate it. SilverTiger12 (talk) 01:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Makes sense. I've submitted a request for it. I'll let you know when I get any updates. I'm required to give a deadline, so I gave them about 6 months, since this could be slow. Solomon Ucko (talk) 07:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Status update to keep this thread from going stale: My ILL request is still active, though the last status update was my university's libraries sending a manual request to some library (presumably the National Library of Pakistan?) on February 14th. I'm not sure how long this might take, but I hope I'll get it eventually...
- Meanwhile, my difficulty in finding this one inspired me to compile a table of all of the information I could find about all of their monographs: Biological Society of Pakistan#Monographs.
- Solomon Ucko (talk) 04:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Makes sense. I've submitted a request for it. I'll let you know when I get any updates. I'm required to give a deadline, so I gave them about 6 months, since this could be slow. Solomon Ucko (talk) 07:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's a long shot, but I'd appreciate it. SilverTiger12 (talk) 01:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh right, hmm... Should I try requesting an inter-library loan and see if my university's librarians can figure something out, perhaps borrowing it or getting a scan from the National Library of Pakistan? Solomon Ucko (talk) 01:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hm, so I'm still looking for the monograph itself. Thank you though. SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
To editor SilverTiger12: Issues of De Ingenieur in Nederlandsch Indie are readable here. I didn't find that article, though I didn't look very hard. Maybe that collection is incomplete or maybe the volume or issue is wrong. Alas there is no search engine. Zerotalk 02:18, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- @SilverTiger12: Article #6 is in volume 1, issue 11, a pdf of which can be downloaded here. It's on pages 21-40 of the pdf, in print they're numbered IV 185 - IV 202. --Worldbruce (talk) 07:47, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Omigosh, thank you!! Online-accessible sources are the best. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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