Archived discussion for April 2009 from Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates.

ITN candidates for April 30

Chrysler LLC files bankruptcy under chapter 11 of American laws.

Automotive industry crisis of 2008–2009. Surely not as big a bankruptcy as it seems to be but a historic low in an already struggling auto industry across the globe. News is of tremendous political as well administrative importance, no doubt on economic one. --GPPande 20:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Another car?! Whatever is with all these attempts to have brand new or bankrupt vehicles advertised on ITN? Is this the biggest one ever? Support if it is, politely decline if it's not. --candle•wicke 21:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

British troops end combat operations in Iraq

How about this story? It is pretty big news in the UK and effectively means that only the US now has combat troops in Iraq (I don't think that many of the 145 Australian and 350 Romanian troops are combat troops). Articles at Operation Telic and Multinational force in Iraq - Dumelow (talk)

Is it as historic as it claims to be? I mean I imagine anything concerning a country's military would be big in its home country or a country it affects... I would support if they are the first country to withdraw from Iraq.--candle•wicke 21:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

You may be right, but they will (hopefully) be the penultimate combat troops to leave Iraq - Dumelow (talk) 23:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but you reveal the problem in your choice of words. The best we can say is that they just might possibly be the second last. They might not of course. And yet I query when precisely the penultimate became so important... perhaps if it is continually in the news in the next few days... beyond their arrival on home soil of course... which one would expect to be in the news... but I imagine the likelihood of continual coverage is very slim unless something unthinkable befalls them all on the plane home... --candle•wicke 00:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not everyday we see an occupying force leave so I'd support this.

Gun attack at Azerbaijan State Oil Academy

• At least 13 people have been killed, and according to earlier news, hostages have been taken. I don't exactly know what they teach at the academy (petroleum industry management?), but the BBC report says it is one of the "most prestigious of the country's institutions." --BorgQueen (talk) 09:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The article says that it used to teach in many fields but apparently now focuses on the petroleum/chemical industries. Article on the shootings is at: Azerbaijan State Oil Academy shootings - Dumelow (talk) 10:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The article could use some cleanup. 70.239.8.78 (talk) 22:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll get to it soon. --candle•wicke 22:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah darn! Too soon, I was working on it then my computer froze. Does this mean I don't get spammed for updating? But it's not showing on the Main Page... --candle•wicke 02:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, if it ever does show, "shot to death"? Shot dead surely? --candle•wicke 02:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply

You will get the spam; it does not have any monetary value. As for MP, did you purge your cache? --BorgQueen (talk) 02:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply

I did numerous times, although it is showing now so it's OK. What do you think of these revolutionary new findings on traumatic insemination? We might as well go all out on Main Page sex now that we've started; I already have visions of them all on WT:MP gasping and moaning about the morality of same-sex marriage and that underwire bra picture at DYK... --candle•wicke 02:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply

(unindent) I think I read about it somewhere long ago... Spiders' sadomasochistic mating methods have been well-known. It seems that the new discovery is just about some technical detail, which isn't quite sufficient for ITN. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:25, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply

Dutch deaths

• I'm really surprised that nobody has gotten round to nominating that one yet... --candle•wicke 21:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I'm also really surprised that nobody has gotten round to replying yet. Where are all our Dutch editors? Oh... --candle•wicke 02:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 29

• The Arlen Specter story has made it into the Spanish press. If we need a new item, I think this one seems the most obvious. Physchim62 (talk) 14:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Does this gives the Dems the filibuster power (with the Minnesota recount of the recount still unresolved, and will probably play a factor)? –Howard the Duck 15:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

According to the press reports I've read, the Democrats still need to win in Minnesota to get a filibuster-proof majority. Physchim62 (talk) 16:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I'd suggest waiting for Minnesota recount to be resolved. This is a change in how a legislature of a country (for lack of a better term) works so this is important. It's like a mini-dissolving of parliament in parliamentary democracies. –Howard the Duck 18:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Much too local... the person is not even the leader of their country... there are two more suitable items under yesterday if there is that much of an emergency... --candle•wicke 17:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

See also Template talk:In the news#60 Senators for a similar development. –Howard the Duck 18:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

• The Swift satellite detects GRB 090423, the oldest and most distant object in the known universe. CNN.com tech news --Cryptic C62 · Talk 20:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I added this yesterday (see below). Article might be a bit short, but I don't think that even the scientists know much more about it - Dumelow (talk) 21:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Whoops, sorry mate. Struck. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

• Nominate the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (Solomon Islands) of the Solomon Islands
  • I tried to improve the article quickly tonight, but it could still use some work. This strikes me as an important, overlooked story. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which was created to reconcile ethnic violence in the Solomons between 1997/98 and 2003 is based on the TRC in South Africa. Scanlan (talk) 02:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)reply
    • Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 28

• Could anyone update Ecuadorian general election, 2009? Thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Or should it be Rafael Correa? --candle•wicke 14:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Preferably, both. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

At the moment, there are only 78% of votes counted 2. Physchim62 (talk) 16:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Fluorescent puppy!

• A glowing puppy has been created. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I like this yet I see it as even more trivial than the Moscow shooting from yesterday where people actually died and were wounded... --candle•wicke 14:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

So what? People die everyday. But the puppy is the first transgenic dog, according to the article. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Has it been widely covered or is there just one source? --candle•wicke 14:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

According to Google, it seems wide enough. The announcement was on 23 April so is getting a bit old though. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Now AP is reporting it. 3 --BorgQueen (talk) 18:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

OK. --candle•wicke 21:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Is this one being posted? --candle•wicke 13:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply

Gamma Ray Burst

How about this? The most remote Gamma-ray burst ever detected and also the most distant object ever discovered? - Dumelow (talk) 17:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Object is at GRB 090423 and satellite article at: Swift Gamma-Ray Burst Mission - Dumelow (talk) 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Full support. Are you doing the updating? --candle•wicke 21:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Sorry I don't have enough time at the moment (things are a bit busy for me until the weekend). Both articles have been updated with the date of discovery but hopefully someone will be around to flesh them out a bit - Dumelow (talk) 21:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Just realised the event occurred on 23 April (the BBC didn't put an article up until today) but it would still fit onto the template and we do need a new story - Dumelow (talk) 21:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Well, this has the same date range as the fluorescent puppy nominated above so logic would declare both as suitable as the other when it comes to numbers... and I did say somewhere before something along the lines that it would be better that the story is confirmed as true (or verifiable at least) five days late than to be posting what could be lies or speculation five minutes early... --candle•wicke 22:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 27

• General Motors unveils its restructuring plan which will phase out the Pontiac brand by 2010. -- Zanimum (talk) 13:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)reply

When the Pontiac brand is phased out, this item might qualify. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Is the phase out of a vehicle even notable enough for ITN? --candle•wicke 15:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I think it will be the day pontiac shuts down just cause its been there for like 80+ years. They had firebird and trans am... i mean people would wanna know that pontiac is no more. But thats like in 2010 so it will be notable then. Ashishg55 (talk) 01:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't think Pontiac is an individual vehicle... but this seems dodgy. –Howard the Duck 14:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Two words. Product placement. --candle•wicke 04:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

It's the removal of a brand though, so I wouldn't say it's advertising. The end of a major brand sold in three countries for 80 years I think is notable, when it actually happens. Galatee (talk) 04:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply

I think Pontiac is too minor of a brand, though. Chrysler going bankrupt maybe a better item. –Howard the Duck 05:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply

Policeman

• How about the crazy policeman? It's not every day an off-duty officer goes on a fatal rampage and kills off his own career... --candle•wicke 03:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Too trivial. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

But it wasn't in the trivia section... it was near the headlines on both sites... did too few die? I know it wasn't exactly the Binghamton shootings... --candle•wicke 14:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Trivial as in too local. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 23:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I sort of understand but couldn't the same be argued for any shooting incident, including the one I mentioned above? --candle•wicke 04:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Maybe it had international interest, which means that it was reported significantly elsewhere? –Howard the Duck 13:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I've provided sources from two countries on the complete opposite side of the continent. I found neither in the trivia sections of their sites. --candle•wicke 17:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Is this featured prominently on their homepages? I remember invoking this "pseudo-requirement" a few months back in assessing ITN items. –Howard the Duck 17:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Well the event is over now but when it happened I didn't have too far to look. And yes, the RTÉ source I remember being in a prominent position in the "world news" section... --candle•wicke 01:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply

Yes perhaps it may had a prominent place in the "world news" section but did it have prominent news at their homepage? The UEFA Cup semifinal may have been placed prominently in sports pages of news website but I don't think that'll cut. I think an occupying army leaving occupied territory is bigger news than this. –Howard the Duck 05:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 26

• Elections to be held in Andorra. The current Head of Government is not a candidate; his centre-right party might also be defeated, although opinion polls are uncertain. Physchim62 (talk) 14:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply
  • The Social Democratic Party led by Jaume Bartumeu (pictured) wins with a plurality of votes in elections to the General Council (parliament) of Andorra. Physchim62 (talk) 21:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)reply
    • Oh, a nice picture for Andorra. :) --candle•wicke 01:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)reply
      • Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)reply
        • No picture? :( Oh well. --candle•wicke 13:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)reply
          • The influenza outbreak, which has become a truly global news since, is going to stay at the top for now. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)reply
            • Besides, the picture may be copyvio. Click on it. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)reply

It's vanished! :-O ;) --candle•wicke 22:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I thought the picture was too good to be true as well, but what better way to get it checked out ;) Physchim62 (talk) 23:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)reply

• Elections also to be held in Ecuador, both parliamentary and presidential. Rafael Correa hoping for re-election as the country's President. --candle•wicke 03:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 25

Iceland elections

• Iceland is holding its Althing elections today. A change of government is likely - Dumelow (talk) 11:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply
  • A change of government is fairly unlikely. More probable is that the current minority coalition will obtain a majority of seats (between them) in the Althing. Might be best to wait until this is confirmed before announcing the results. Physchim62 (talk) 14:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

• The Social Democratic Alliance led by Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir (pictured) wins a plurality in elections to the Icelandic parliament. Physchim62 (talk) 11:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)reply
  • I am posting soon but not going to use her picture. We already used her image on ITN when she became PM, and it stayed there for quite a few days as I recall. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)reply
    • And actually the article needs update. The very first sentence: "Early parliamentary elections in Iceland will be held on 25 April 2009"? Wrong tense. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)reply
      • Oops! Two people trying to update the article at the same time – that one got lost in the edit conflicts. Physchim62 (talk) 14:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)reply
        • Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 24

Biodyl

There appears to be just the heading "biodyl". If this is a reference to the ponies, I would have a thought this stood a better chance before it was revealed that a "reputable pharmacy" had been responsible. Now it just looks like an accident. --candle•wicke 14:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

There was a blurb, but someone keeps deleting it from the current news subpage. The 21 dead polo ponies now look like a serious mistake in a pharmacy, but that actually makes the story even bigger, because now it is a cautionary tale about the possible dangers of compounding and putative greed of compounding pharmacies that border on being manufacturers and distributors (not that the pharmacy in this case is one of them). --Una Smith (talk) 20:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I will leave this up to a second opinion. --candle•wicke 03:06, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Swine influenza

• Nom. That is probably the major topic of today. NYtimes CNN --bender235 (talk) 23:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 00:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

However, the article needs a bit of cleanup. --BorgQueen (talk) 00:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support - the Swine influenza article does need a tiny bit of cleaning up, but apart form that this is a major viral outbreak in Mexico with some limited spread to the US. The relevance of this story is also going to be seen worldwide in the news soon enough once the tabloids decide to strt telling us that the Swine flu is coming and we're all going to die; essentially what they did with Bird Flu for a few months a few years back. Ixistant (talk) 04:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:06, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Is that final "of them" helpful? I would suggest that it is not only superfluous (those killed by a disease are inevitably a subset of those infected by it), but could imply an attitude of that population being thought of at arm's length. Kevin McE (talk) 08:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The virus is apparently spreading. There are now eight suspected cases in New York, ten in New Zealand and possibly two in France and one in Israel (BBC). We should keep an eye on this one - Dumelow (talk) 14:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 23

Great Wall

• A Chinese government survey uncovers major new sections of the Great Wall. 4 Shiplevelone (talk) 07:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Already nominated in the April 20 section. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

South African general election, 2009

• It seems certain that Jacob Zuma will become the new president of South Africa. As soon as the final result becomes available, let's not forget to update South African general election, 2009 accordingly, and feature on ITN. (I wonder if both of his two current wives will get to become the "first ladies".) --BorgQueen (talk) 09:07, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ANC has now won, votes from some areas are still being counted and the final result will be announced on saturday (BBC) - Dumelow (talk) 08:21, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Rydberg molecule

The Rydberg molecule is discovered, having been theorised since 1934. From the BBC, notable? - Dumelow (talk) 13:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I support, but the article needs a complete makeover. I am quite puzzled by the first sentence... "Rydberg molecules are electronically excited species"? --BorgQueen (talk) 13:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

It should link to Chemical species, but otherwise what's wrong with it? Algebraist 13:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Oh, I see. Yes, a good wikification will do the job. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I like this one but the article is written in a very technical language... Non-experts will not get what it is about, I think... --Tone 20:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Was it discovered or made? --candle•wicke 03:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Iraq suicide bombs

• I know we're all probably immune to the words "Iraq" and "suicide attack" but this looks major. How often do seventy-six die in one set of attacks? When I began to follow this story earlier there were only thirty reported dead so the death toll may even rise further. It's usually been around twenty... the dead include Iranian pilgrims. The attacks took place in two locations. If this were London or New York it would be massive. So maybe time Iraq was posted? --candle•wicke 17:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. It is interesting that the main target was Iranians visiting Shia Muslim sites, rather than Westerners/soldiers/police. That's something new. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:07, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support also. This one stands out due to its unusually high toll. __meco (talk) 18:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Two suicide attacks kill 79 people, including Iranian pilgrims, and injure over 100 others in Baghdad and Baquba, Iraq. --candle•wicke 20:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Taliban inches closer to Islamabad

As the war in North-West Pakistan continues, the Buner District, only 100 km from Pakistan's capital Islamabad falls to the Taliban. __meco (talk) 18:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The update to the article should be longer. 70.239.8.78 (talk) 22:10, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

87,000 Iraqis dead since 2005

• AP's exposé claims that the total for the entire war exceeds 110,000 Iraqi people. I wondered if this info could be integrated into one of our articles. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 22

Argentina's formal claim

• "Argentina formally claims 1,700,000 square kilometres (660,000 sq mi) of ocean including the British territories of the Falklands and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands." I initially thought it rather sounded nutty but soon realized they were serious. What will be the most relevant article—perhaps Foreign relations of Argentina? Please note that the claim covers not only the islands over which Argentina has been in dispute with UK, but also those with Chile. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Argentina has claimed those territories for ages. What exactly is the news story here? Algebraist 15:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The same agenda, yes, but have they formally made the claim to the UN, with a scientific proof which they claim to be the culmination of a decade of research before? According to the BBC article, "This is significant, as under current international legislation, a state's ownership of the continental shelf can exceed 200 nautical miles until its natural extension ends." 5 --BorgQueen (talk) 15:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Yeah when I first read it it struck me as old news but then I saw how much they had claimed and added it to the portal. I will try to get around to updating a relevant article tonight (probably at Foreign relations of Argentina with a mention on Argentina–United Kingdom relations) - Dumelow (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I have added a paragraph on the claim to the "Issues" section of Foreign relations of Argentina. That whole section is in the form of bullet points at the moment though, us that acceptable or does it need changing to prose? - Dumelow (talk) 19:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Prose is (almost) always better, if you are willing to work on it. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

OK I will take a look at it, cheers - Dumelow (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

It is now in prose (I also split the section into two sub-sections). I want to fins a source for the latter part of the second section but the bit about the claim is fully reffed - Dumelow (talk) 20:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Some nice wording that won't make it look like the old news? --BorgQueen (talk) 20:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Perhaps:"Argentina submits a request to the United Nations for an extension of its continental shelf rights which conflicts with overseas territories of the United Kingdom and Chile"? - a bit wordy but its a start (it looked worse when the units were in)- Dumelow (talk) 20:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Hey y'all... just a suggestion that instead of saying continental shelf rights we could include a reference to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea possibly by way of taking the word rights and piping the link... e.g., "contenental shelf rights" ... MPS (talk) 16:56, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Gliese 581 e planet discovery

• This event could be on ITN. TouLouse (talk) 16:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I am leaning toward support. The article is a bit too short though. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I'd say it is long enough. The best way for it to grow is on the Main Page where it will attract the attention of other editors. --candle•wicke 18:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Tombs of Cleopatra VII and Mark Antony

April 22 - The Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA) archaeological expedition will again use radar on the hill below the Temple of Taposiris Magna dedicated to the goddess Isis which they hope will help locate the tombs of Cleopatra VII and Mark Antony.6 SriMesh | talk 03:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Big support from me if their tombs are discovered. :) --candle•wicke 14:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Any word on a major discovery? --candle•wicke 20:29, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Not yet, will probably take awhile to excavate to the chambers as they are a few feet down, and archaeology is slow and detailed.SriMesh | talk 01:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ETA military leader

• Is the arrest of ETA military leader, Jurdan Martitegi, from 18 April big enough for ITN? We had Laurent Nkunda's arrest a while ago. --candle•wicke 18:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't really have an opinion about this. I'd like to hear what Spencer or Tone thinks, before the item gets too old. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

This one is actually too old, the bottom ITN item is from April 19. However, I presume there is going to be a trial and the verdict may be ITN worthy. --Tone 20:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

We're all about to die!

• Quick! The Sun is going out! Post this on ITN before the end comes! --candle•wicke 18:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply
  • We have 8 minutes after the Sun goes down, this is approx how long it takes the last light to reach Earth. So, no need to hurry. Besides, I find the proposed blurb US centric. Probably because of blockbusters. :P --Tone 20:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Pulitzers

• I know the Pulitzers are listed amongst WP:ITNR (and that's obviously why they were posted) but why is this exactly? Can non-Americans win one? If not it doesn't seem to fit alongside the awards arguments previously presented for Oscars/Grammys and against national music awards such as the Brits... in other words I can't see anything international about them... --candle•wicke 19:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

It appears to be an exclusively American-only award, with all the famous winners being American citizens, and "only published reports and photographs by United States-based newspapers or daily news organizations are eligible for the journalism prize", according to this. That is questionable. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Yes, I do see it as a threat to neutrality and the carefully crafted consensus on awards such as the Grammys and Oscars. Someone is liable to use this as an example of American propaganda (The current wording is even cringeworthy and patriotic – The New York Times wins five Pulitzer Prizes, including for international reporting on "America’s deepening military and political challenges in Afghanistan and Pakistan.") It would be interesting to hear what a reader from either of those countries has to say about that. I would support this item's immediate removal from the Main Page and its immediate withdrawal from WP:ITNR. --candle•wicke 20:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

After a consideration, I support removal of Pulitzer prize from ITN/R. The rationale is relevant, Oscars and Grammys can have international winners while Pulitzer is exclusively for one country. --Tone 20:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Thank you. It therefore should not really be on the Main Page, should it, as it hasn't been nominated and there has been considerable disagreement amongst the three of us about its previously privileged position? Perhaps the bottom ITN can be returned and it will date prior to April 19th, no? ;) --candle•wicke 20:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Would anyone mind if I removed all the sports championships that are limited to teams from one country from ITNR? Using the consensus rationale established here, of course. - BanyanTree 23:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't mind at all. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I wouldn't want the job of handling the complaints when you take the NBA finals, the Super Bowl and the Aussie rules finals off the list - Dumelow (talk) 07:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I presume the AFL Grand Final is there because it is the "best attended domestic club championship event in the world". So that's probably fine. I can't think of any reason for the other two though, especially the NBA finals. At least American football is a distinct sport. However, so too is Gaelic football which is conspicuous by its absence, so since we're operating on the basis that one is somehow superior to the other, I wouldn't really mind at all either. And, unless someone fills me in on the unique sport of American basketball, I don't see what is special about the NBA finals. It seems to be the equivalent of the Premier League in association football/England, i.e. a domestic event thought highly of in its own sport, but one of many possibilities we could have at WP:ITNR. There have and will forever be complaints... so I don't see how the NBA finals and the Super Bowl should be kept because there might be a few complaints. When has a complaint ever been a valid reason unless it offers something useful besides personal preference? --candle•wicke 16:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

So that's two supports for a proposal to remove the Pulitzers and two supports for a proposal to remove the NBA finals and the Super Bowl at the very least, with the only (although I'm uncertain whether it is a support or oppose) argument for keeping them being that we will have to deal with too many complaints. It is clear that there is not currently much of a consensus for their inclusion. --candle•wicke 16:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Strong oppose on the NBA one. What's left for indoor sports? Ice hockey? Or maybe it hasn't been targeted yet? Or maybe it has Canadians? What, we're having outdoor sport bias now? FYI, FIBA considers the NBA as an intercontinental tournament; if rugby union has the Heineken Cup, the North American basketball equivalent is the NBA. Yeah, talk about domesticity and what-have-you, if you can prove to me you have better credentials than FIBA on these matters it'll be worthless. Oppose AFL, support removal of the Super Bowl.

Note: when you add the populations of the four countries of the Heineken Cup (190.3 million), that's still less than the U.S.' (300 million). (And I assume a great majority among these five countries' population has access to the internet.) This is similar to the funny argument some years back that a football match between Liechtenstein and Andorra is more international than the NBA Finals.

P.S., I suggest bring this first to ITN/R, then once something already happened there, bring it up at {Template talk:In the news. As an aside, I found it funny that Candlewicke supported the inclusion of the IPL, which has also been argued extensively on its domesticity while supporting the removal of U.S. and Aussie sporting events.

P.P.S. As far as I know there has been only one non U.S. citizen recipient of the Pulitzer Prize. –Howard the Duck 12:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

For the record: I intended my contribution to merely be a neutral comment and not a support or oppose "vote". I have no real opinions on the matter - Dumelow (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The NBA Finals and the AFL Grand Final were added there due to a past discussion. Since they're there already, consensus must be remove them; ergo, no consensus means they'll stay. Plus, at this point, I think we should be adding, instead of removing items to the list. Such as the IPL. –Howard the Duck 12:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't believe in this population business. It is unhelpful when states like California are used against entire countries (or groups of countries) that have less people. The same could be said for many Asian countries which have bigger populations than the US. Why precisely does the US have a special privilege? Nobody is trying to remove it entirely from ITN but it is one country, there are numerous others. Also you must be mistaken, I neither supported the removal of the Aussie sporting event nor supported the inclusion of the IPL (I'm not even sure what that is?). Consensus seems to be very much against the Pulitzers, Super Bowl and NBA from what I've read here. Nobody has offered anything reasonably coherent so how can they be kept here. There has been a proposal to remove them and it has been agreed to by at least two users. That's more consensus than what would usually be the case at ITN. --candle•wicke 14:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I may have just seen the talk page comment you meant about the IPL. I think that was made in the context that all the national events like the Super Bowl were included and it didn't make sense to leave such events out simply because they took place in other countries. If the Super Bowl and NBA were to be removed that would make things much simpler as nobody would be able to validly argue that these events should be included (unless there are one or two exceptions). At the time there appeared to be no proposal to remove these events but BanyanTree has since begun one and BorgQueen has offered some agreement. I too think this would be the simplest route. --candle•wicke 14:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I'm not really giving the U.S. a "special privilege" if that's what you call it; the thing is, there has to be another indoor sport aside from ice hockey that should be at ITN/R. Ice hockey is not terribly popular in places with warm weather, such as India. And you said it yourself: "It does seem unfair to generalise each sport if perhaps cricket is operated in a different way than some other more popular sports." Guess what, basketball (along with ice hockey, baseball and "American" football) is operated in a different way too.

One country? Ok, two. Does that make that international? Not quite. What are the ITN criteria anyway? International importance or interest. The NBA has been broadcast internationally, and there were some reports that the TV ratings for a Milwaukee Bucks-Houston Rockets regular season game several years ago scored big in... China. Yep, they drank beer 9 in the morning. International enough? Maybe. In the Philippines, the only two times journalists go to a remote location outside the country annually is 1) when the sitting president goes to a state visit, and at the NBA Finals. Not international enough? I dunno.

So OK, remove the NBA Finals, but it has to be replaced by an indoor sport, not necessarily basketball. Otherwise, the perceived U.S. bias turns into outdoor sport bias and that's not good either.

Or we can add the IPL, the Premier League, keep the NBA and the AFL, and ditch the NFL and we can all be happy. –Howard the Duck 16:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

But I have no real desire to add the IPL or the Premier League anymore (if I ever did at all)... what you are quoting is based upon the idea that the Super Bowl was included... it would seem fair to omit items like this, basketball and English football if their only claim to being international is having one team from another country. It seems the best thing to do in the circumstances. I find having one team from elsewhere a very strange rationale for inclusion especially considering the highest level of Gaelic football (the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship) features teams from London and New York, giving a grand total of four competing countries or twice the amount of two. --candle•wicke 17:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

One thing that separates the NBA (and possibly the NHL and Major League Baseball) from other "domestic" leagues is that one or both or all of them are recognized by their respective sports as "intercontinental" leagues. In other words, if there is a world club championship for any of these sports (basketball has none, baseball has none that I know of, and hockey has quite a few tournaments), these "national champions" qualify for a world championship berth, much like the winners of the UEFA Champions League. IMHO, by that quality alone makes them having "international interest".

The IPL and NFL are even "grander": their champions can legitimately claim the world "club" championship, considering a great majority of the world's top players of that sport play in those leagues, same for the MLB. The NBA used to, and currently informally does this, considering a great majority of the world's top basketball players play there. I can't argue that for any other domestic league, even the Premier League can't claim that "a great majority" of the world's best football players play for their league, considering other leagues such as the La Liga can claim their share of the top players. Dunno for the NHL.

As for the GAA, heck, as I've found out earlier, the Rep. of Ireland has 4 million people. If we'd include that, we might as well add the one of the two Philippine Basketball Association championships considering its championship game is highest ranked professional event among List of sports attendance figures#indoor sports. (Since we don't include amateur championships.) –Howard the Duck 17:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

You've picked out two things that seem slightly ignorant of the GAA. It is amateur through choice, that does not take away from the fact that it maintains consistent popularity and is able to run numerous large stadia including the fourth largest in Europe which it built itself without going close to bankruptcy (particularly in the present climate). The Republic of Ireland alone has more than four million people. You also seem to have forgotten Northern Ireland. And two rather large cities. --candle•wicke 17:44, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I didn't really care about GAA's amateurness, since it's "big" as you put it. The only reason I added the word "amateur" is to exclude the American NCAA, not to exclude/include the GAA. Adding NI's population doesn't really affect if you consider the whole island of Ireland vis-a-vis with the Philippines, give or take diehards from the two large cities, especially from New York. The Philippine Basketball Association's championship series is also played at the fourth largest indoor arena in Asia, so if we'd include the fourth largest stadium in Europe, why should we exclude the fourth largest arena in Asia?

Ah why not? We could have them all. I'm not even sure what I'm debating any more. The point about stadium size was to counter negativities perceived by the term "amateur" which may be see it dismissed by those with less knowledge, not a reason for including it at ITN. I've never had a problem with the Philippines. My point was that Australian and Gaelic football are their own sports, and that I'm not aware of a sport called American basketball or the variety that is played in the Philippines. As far as I'm aware there is currently no consensus to include something like the NBA final, if that is so then the case for Gaelic football does look a little shaky. This was an argument which made more sense before the removal of sports such as the NBA and Super Bowl was proposed. The logic was that Gaelic football seemed no different to me than the Australian variety; indeed players of GAA often disappear to Australia to pursue careers there, e.g. Gaelic footballer Tadhg Kennelly who has also won medals in the Australian game. I hope this clarifies my point – I am not trying to disrupt WP:ITNR, I just didn't see the logic of including one variety of football and excluding the other. --candle•wicke 20:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

This discussion has veered from the intended topic already, which is how the NBA Finals and the AFL Grand Final are deemed to be not international. I've already demonstrated that NBA is equated to the UEFA Champions League, which is listed at ITN/R. Removal of the NBA has to be replaced with another indoor sport, since there'll be only one annual indoor sporting event at ITN/R. So what would be replacing the NBA? The Euroleague? LOL, the horrors! –Howard the Duck 18:28, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Could you clarify how many teams from outside the US compete in the NBA please? --candle•wicke 20:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

They can buy a franchise. How does that anything to do with anything? –Howard the Duck 03:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Note: Does anyone agree of removing the big 4 American leagues? I wanna see if it can survive the test of being debated here first than being automatically added due to ITN/R. The NHL and NBA playoffs end in June so it'll be a good way to see its "internationalness". –Howard the Duck 18:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I agree. Of course, although they are removed from ITN/R, they can still be considered here on a case by case basis. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Let my objections not be a hindrance to their removal. –Howard the Duck 03:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Fair enough. BorgQueen's proposal makes sense. I still don't understand what you mean by "They can buy a franchise. How does that anything to do with anything?". It seemed such a simple question... --candle•wicke 03:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I still don't understand how having teams from two or more countries is the sole determinant of "international importance or interest," either. If no consensus comes up, I suggest they'd be reinstated. –Howard the Duck 04:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I will also object. Looking at the NHL alone, its games are broadcast all over the world via ESPN America, historically on many other channels. The NHL has played regular season games in Japan, England, the Czech Republic, Finland, Sweden, participates in the Victoria Cup, etc. Certainly a world wide reach. I would expect similar arguments could be made for the NBA, NFL and MLB. But hell, if we're going to start tossing events that are primarily hosted in one country, lets remove the Tour de France as well on the same principle. The Ashes are competed by only two nations, lets remove that too. Golf and Tennis' four majors are each competed for in a single nation, remove them as well. Oh, but they are competed for by athletes from many nations? So are hockey, basketball and baseball. Truth is, we could poke holes in the majority of the sports based events at ITNR if we wanted to. One thing I notice, if the North American big four should be removed, as well as the AFL Grand Final, is that you are nearly eliminating two continents from coverage of major sporting events. What you would be left with is a significant pro-European bias. Resolute 16:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I would judge each sport individually. They are all at different levels, for instance we could have numerous association football events because so many are being presented, yet not all sports (like cycling or tennis) would be able to match this. The GAA too have played games historically in San Francisco, 7 London (according to this, Galway have a game there before July 4th) New York's Gaelic Park, (one very soon on May 10 – note further down that this article mentions Gaelic games in the same breath as soccer and rugby union which may be a useful comparative point – in fact it is common that GAA gets its own section on sports sites instead of being lumped in with "other sports"). Incidentally, Setanta Sports, which broadcasts in 24 countries also mentions the New York game. In a list of "events of major importance to society", the Irish government themselves include the football and hurling finals alongside the Olympics and FIFA World Cup. For anyone familiar with rugby union and the Heineken Cup, here is a report from a journalist which compares Leinster v Munster to an All Ireland Final between Kerry and Dublin. I read something about Gaelic games in France the other day (which even surprised me by the way) but I'm still trying to locate an online source for it. So it is evident that Gaelic games are given some degree of international coverage on an ongoing basis, has played top level games outside Ireland, has had players move to Australia to compete in their version of football, competes internationally with a team representing the Australian game, has had games broadcast by channels known internationally and has been considered as important, politically and culturally, by a government as the Olympics (in a nutshell). What then is the case for American and Australian football but not Gaelic football, I ask (and have done so on each occasion that these debates have been taking place)? I understand that if the Super Bowl and AFL Grand Final were removed that perhaps all this would fall through. But if these are still included why are Gaelic games not included in any way? I have mentioned at least three different continents in the above, I'm sure the worldwide spread of the Irish diaspora (a lot more than 4 milion people) means there are many more international connections. As for the "two or more teams" argument, I have still not received an answer as to how many countries feature in the NBA. The event I refer to not only features games and teams from different countries, but also different continents. Please consider this when sculpting arguments about internationalness. Ignorance or misunderstanding of a game is no reason to question possible notability. --candle•wicke 17:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Heck if we're about diaspora, the Filipino diaspora has 11 million people, and probably more; and (this made it to DYK), the UAAP college league, yes, an amateur college league, requirement to bid on the next season for TV rights includes international broadcasting. WTF? UAAP? I never heard of that! Exactly. If the GAA has international coverage, is amateur, has significant following elsewhere, well, this is it. And the whole island of Ireland has 5 million max, the whole island of Luzon where the UAAP following is the strongest has 39.5 million. If the GAA is even considered, why can Filipino leagues? These leagues can't build stadiums by themselves though, there are for more important things to spend money about in countries such as the Philippines.

Which brings me, we shouldn't be bringing on the GAA, the UAAP and other leagues not being questioned. As I've said before, despite being played in 2 countries and in a closed system, FIBA recognizes the NBA as an intercontinental league, the equivalent of the Heineken Cup for North American basketball. The NHL, a league HQed in New York, USA, has more Canadian players than Americans. As for the NFL we can all agree to ditch that. Heh.

Final question: Why are we limiting "internationalness" of sports on the countries where the sport is played? Is there any other measure? Are we not going to consider populations? Or at least people who can access the internet, Wikipedia's primary audience? –Howard the Duck 18:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Page views the past 30 days:

• 2009 NBA Playoffs, All-Ireland Senior Football Championship 2009, and UAAP Season 72 (Note: GAA and UAAP are in their off-season)
• 008–09 Heineken Cup, 2009 Stanley Cup playoffs, and 2009 PBA Fiesta Conference (Note: All three are active)
• 90 days: 2009 Indian Premier League, Super Bowl XLII, and 2009 AFL season.
• Just for fun: 30 days -- American Idol (season 8), Britain's Got Talent (series 3), and Eurovision Song Contest 2009

These numbers should play a role on what should be kept, added and/or removed. –Howard the Duck 18:23, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Fossilitis

Well fancy that! A walking seal... --candle•wicke 20:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Ah, this missing link stuff is so pro-evolutionist biase... But since it was published in Nature... Do we have an article? (This is then support, of course, I am always for good science stories.) --Tone 20:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The discovery of Puijila darwini, the oldest seal ancestor ever located, is announced. --candle•wicke 03:36, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Not mentioned on the Current events portal, which I thought was meant to be a pre-requisite.

Reading the article suggests that there is nothing new except the article: there is no recent event, the discovery was in 2007.

Those facts would suggest that it is more suitable to DYK than ITN. If there is, despite this, an ITN headline, perhaps it should make clear what has been discovered: living examples? Genetic evidence? Fossil record? Fossil fragments? Kevin McE (talk) 08:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Probably a good point to take to WP:ERRORS now. I updated this when I was going through the backlog of nominations which I thought stood a chance and were slipping away. Tone likes scientific discoveries and I personally do not object to either scientific or historic items being placed on the front page of an encylopedia. We have too few. --candle•wicke 17:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Now the blurb mentions that it is a fossil, not a living specimen. Thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Also worth mentioning that discoveries can take months or years to be properly announced. Since we can't put it on ITN until we have confirmation we would therefore not have very many of these stories at all. --candle•wicke 18:19, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 21

World Digital Library

• The World Digital Library is due to launch. It has much in common with Wikipedia, in terms of promising to massively increase access to information from around the world and in many languages. As significant a launch as that of an important new rocket or spaceship, I would argue. BrainyBabe (talk) 13:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

• Support. This launch will most likely even have a substantial impact on Wikipedia, as most/all of the newly digitalized literature will satisfy WP:RS.   — C M B J   17:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

• Support because it most likely will affect Wikipedia? It sounds great but I see a number of things which are inappropriate for ITN here so I would oppose. --candle•wicke 19:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

• The project is headed by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization and includes partnerships with Bibliotheca Alexandrina, Brown University Library, Center for the Study of the History of Mexico, Qatar Foundation, Columbus Memorial Library, International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions, Iraq National Library and Archive, John Carter Brown Library, King Abdullah University of Science and Technology, Library of Congress, Mamma Haidara Commemorative Library, National Archives and Records Administration, National Central Library, National Diet Library, Egyptian National Library and Archives, National Institute of Anthropology and History, National Library of Brazil, National Library of China, National Library of France, National Library of Israel, National Library of Russia, National Library of Serbia, National Library of Sweden, National Library of Uganda, Royal Netherlands Institute of Southeast Asian and Caribbean Studies, Russian State Library, St. Mark Coptic Library, Tetouan-Asmir Association, University Library in Bratislava, University of Pretoria Library, Wellcome Library, Yale University Library, and the Yeltsin Presidential Library.   — C M B J   02:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Oh. --candle•wicke 02:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't know..."It has much in common with Wikipedia, in terms of promising to massively increase access to information from around the world and in many languages." "Promising"? I don't know...Wikipedia-similar stories tend to be frowned upon as non-notable. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 23:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The nominator's rationale wasn't exactly brilliant but the library does appear to be notable, as CMBJ tried to explain above. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The World Digital Library has launched today. Can anyone help in updating the article? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:44, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Sadly, I am not in a position to improve the article, but I don't understand the ITN process. I submitted the WDL as a suggestion 12 days ago. Many editors agree it is significant. So why does the mainpage not include it? (Not a complaint, really, but a confused query.) BrainyBabe (talk) 15:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Total three editors agreed: you, CMBJ, and me. (I don't think Candlewicke's "Oh" response can be counted as an agreement.) Anyway, without some further objections from others, WDL will be put on ITN but it needs to be updated on the launch and still lacks some vital info last time I checked. You are not going to update yourself, that's fine, I see others are already working on it. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I believe that the article is editorially sufficient for ITN inclusion at this point. Much work does remain, but the article is informative and will presumably see significant improvements from the new inflow of front page editors.   — C M B J   21:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Sample headline: UNESCO and the Library of Congress announce the launch of the World Digital Library.   — C M B J   21:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Shining Path

• The Maoist guerrilla group Shining Path makes a resurgence in Peru with anti-government ambushes which killed 14 soldiers this month. 8 The article is relatively thorough and well-written but needs update. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I've updated this. "The Maoist guerrilla group Shining Path makes a resurgence in Peru, with anti-government ambushes killing 14 soldiers in April 2009." Slight tweak, fixed redirect of Maoist. --candle•wicke 17:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 00:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Kenya

• Actually more people died in this incident in Kenya. What about it? --candle•wicke 19:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

My Shining Path nomination above is not only about the number of fatalities but its political significance. But of course, I see the Kenyan violence is notable as well. Nowadays I am not really interested in measuring the magnitude of an event soley by the number of deaths. (My work at ITN has been a greatly desensitizing process for me, if you know what I mean.) --BorgQueen (talk) 19:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Yes, it is amazing how a couple of deaths appears so insignificant nowadays. But I suppose I might bat an eyelid at twenty-four in one incident. --candle•wicke 20:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

At least twenty-nine people are hacked and stoned to death in clashes between Mungiki members and civilians in Karatina, Kenya. --candle•wicke 02:49, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 20

Northern Cyprus election

• Northern Cyprus parliamentary election, 2009 should probably be in ITN.Geni 00:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The article needs to be expanded a bit. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:03, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Should we cover elections in a state which is not recognised by almost the entire the international community (Turkey being the exception) or the UN? Do we cover elections of Abkhazia or South Ossetia (recognised only by Russia and Nicaragua) or do we draw the line at Transnistria which is only recognised by Abkhazia and South Ossetia, maybe the line is at Somaliland which nobody recognises? I am not POV pushing but I think we need some sort of policy on this to avoid any arguments in the future - Dumelow (talk) 08:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Well it would be a bit POV to leave one out just because some or most countries don't recognise it. If somebody does recognise it why not? --candle•wicke 14:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

gets messy. In this case however the fact it is likely to blow a hole in the UN peace plan is something of an issue.Geni 17:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I think a hole has already been blown in that in Geneva. --candle•wicke 17:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

How about: "The anti-unification National Unity Party wins a plurality of seats in the Assembly of the Republic of Northern Cyprus", feel free to fiddle with it though, I couldn't find a wording I really liked - Dumelow (talk) 18:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I think that it's the result that counts here, not the dispute about being a country. The result will likely have influence on future events on Cyprus. --Tone 18:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I have updated the article...if someone would like to add more about the controversy in the reactions section, feel free. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 19:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

More about the controversy added. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 19:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

• The National Unity Party led by Derviş Eroğlu wins a plurality of seats in the Assembly of the Republic of Northern Cyprus. --199.71.174.100 (talk) 22:15, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

• I would go with an ITN mention, as this was obviously an election and its results have a wide significance. Given the sensibilities, I would suggest

Voters in Northern Cyprus give the National Unity Party led by Derviş Eroğlu a plurality of seats in the Assembly of the Republic. Physchim62 (talk) 00:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Generally, we don't say "Voters...give...", so I'll post 199.71.174.100's wording for now, but if someone thinks that Physchim's is better, feel free to change it. Posting. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 00:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

My apologies for using plurality when it should have been majority, I misread the article. Luckily someone saw it and changed it - Dumelow (talk) 09:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Mexico train crash

• There is a train crash in Mexico that injured like 100+. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Any deaths? Sources? --candle•wicke 14:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The BBC gives 70+ injuries, no mention of deaths - Dumelow (talk) 18:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I'm sure it would be unusual if there were hundreds or even thousands of injuries... --candle•wicke 18:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

UN conference on racism in Geneva

• UN conference on racism opens in Geneva amid controversy, boycotted by eight countries. 9 Do we have an article on this yet? --BorgQueen (talk) 06:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Ok, we have Durban Review Conference. And, according to our article, ten countries have boycotted the conference. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Sounds like an event. "Ten countries boycott the Durban Review Conference being held by the United Nations in Geneva, Switzerland"? Listing them might be inconvenient... --candle•wicke 14:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Inconvenient and inflammatory. We need to be extra careful when dealing with this degree of controversy. Iran's president opens the summit with his speech? Whoa. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't understand what you mean? --candle•wicke 14:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Did you read the news article I've linked? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Ah yes, now it makes sense. I thought initially you were saying the suggested wording was "inconvenient and inflammatory". The Iranian President/Whoa coming from nowhere threw me further. Shows how easily something can be misunderstood. :) I suppose they have to fit Iran in somewhere. --candle•wicke 14:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Do you think we should use Ahmadinejad's picture, so Peter Sunde can have a break? I am still trying to find the right wording. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Yeah. There will probably be complaints but there should be no non-POV reason to leave him out. And it's a good photo too. --candle•wicke 16:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Currently on ITN, but the article needs to be updated on Ahmadinejad's opening speech which has caused some diplomats to walk out before mentioning him in the blurb. Some helping hands, anyone? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Done. Do I get credit for that when it's already on ITN? Wording: A number of delegates exit in protest during Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech at the Durban Review Conference in Geneva, Switzerland"? --candle•wicke 17:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

An even Greater Wall of China...

• Mind-boggling. A "two-year government mapping study" locates 3,850km more of "the world's largest man-made structure"... --candle•wicke 18:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply
  • It is the "first detailed survey to establish the length of the ancient barricade". --candle•wicke 18:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support, this seems pretty notable (and I do like stories about history). The article is in good nick and someone has added the bit about the new length - Dumelow (talk) 09:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

A nice wording, please? --BorgQueen (talk) 14:14, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Something like: "A Chinese government study discovers that the Great Wall of China is 3,850 km (2,400 miles) longer than previously thought?"? - Dumelow (talk) 17:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Our article states a different previous length to the BBC though (6,700 km instead of 5,000 km). That might need looking into first - Dumelow (talk) 17:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

A Chinese government study locates an extra 3,850 km (2,400 miles) of the Great Wall of China (pictured). Just in case someone knew about it, then we're covered. --candle•wicke 17:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I cannot find the number "3,850" in the article. --BorgQueen (talk) 23:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

It's simple mathematics. Addition and subtraction. The old figure versus the new. Or is that considered OR? --candle•wicke 18:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I wouldn't go so far as to call it OR but I think it is best to mention the number somewhere in the article. Without it, I am fairly certain that some questions will be raised at Talk:Main Page or WP:ERRORS. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 19

OK, I haven't posted before for something happening currently, but I don't get it. Why does nothing appear for today? (I created April 19 section.) Is it just a "slow news day" or am I missing something? If the former, may I suggest the overnight sensation of singer Susan Boyle? She does appear to have set new records already, and those who study internet memes are saying this a textbok example that has gone beyond previous textbooks. Also, covered in many many mainstream news sources around the world. Also, nice occasionally to have a feel-good story. BrainyBabe (talk) 01:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Feel good stories do make it onto ITN, especially since the recent militant crackdown on doom and gloom. The birth of Injaz is positive unless you hate cloning camels. The rescue of Richard Phillips from the MV Maersk Alabama hijacking is positive unless you're a Somali pirate. Ireland winning the Six Nations Grand Slam in rugby union for the first time since 1948 is positive unless you were one of the losing countries. Ángel Cabrera winning the 2009 Masters Tournament in golf is positive unless you are allergic to Argentinian underdogs. And so on. I don't think Susan will make it though. It's quite enough she has an article, that is a victory in itself. Perhaps it's not too late to nominate her at DYK if this hasn't already been carried out? Nothing happens for today because it a long and complicated process whereby the article must be created or substantially updated and endure various obstacles such as the present lack of activity or editors lurking around to review and post on the Main Page. Thank you for your nomination. Come again. Please. :) --candle•wicke 03:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Thanks for explaining! Many of the stories you list are not wholy positive: many people oppose cloning (& esp GM); following the deaths of Somali pirates by US forces, there has been an upsurge in hostage-takings and pirates will be more willing to kill their captives; more countries/teams lose any sporting event than win. Anyway, thanks for the welcome; I may well come back. BrainyBabe (talk) 16:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

That is true. Certainly people do oppose cloning but if we count sporting triumphs as negative I'm not sure what we have left. Perhaps you enjoyed Mycocepurus smithii? It does involve cloning but it is carried out naturally so I do wonder how that case could be considered against nature... but it is probably pretty negative and depressing for male readers actually... another example of their place in the world being questioned... how to please everyone, it is a rather tedious impossibility... :) --candle•wicke 13:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

That's right. And I don't think everyone feels good about Susan Boyle's story either, considering some negative comments about her on the net. (Not that I agree with them.) --BorgQueen (talk) 13:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

And if you wanted to be really negative about Susan's story there is bound to be someone in her town who is fed up being obstructed by Americans wandering around with camera equipment and asking questions about where she lives. They might come to Wikipedia to escape all this and then lo and behold she stares ominously back at them from the Main Page and some poor reader's day is upset... --candle•wicke 14:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I hope you aren't suggesting that I mind people's feelings being hurt, or want to please everyone! Otherwise there could be no disasters or battles on ITN. All I said is that feel-good stories have their place, and that few stories are unambiguously so. (Male readers may be thinking: "Lesbian ants! How cool is that!" for all I know.) BrainyBabe (talk) 16:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Are they lesbian? I thought they were asexual... a redirect is in store I think. I cannot now even recall their name without looking since they've gone from the Main Page. --candle•wicke 17:55, 21 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 18

I like the Roxana Saberi story, it has a pretty decent update, lots of refs, and is making headlines around the world. Random89 21:05, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

But what is the difference between this and Muntadhar al-Zaidi? --candle•wicke 22:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Current events of April 17, 2009 (2009-04-17) (Friday) edit history watch

An airplane crash kills 11 people in Papua, Indonesia. (UPI) American Sterling Bank in Sugar Creek, Missouri, is closed. (MarketWatch) The Bangladesh Police arrest 31 suspected Hizb ut-Tahrir members for planning terrorism. (AFP via Sydney Morning Herald) The Irish political party Fianna Fáil departs the Alliance for Europe of the Nations and joins the European Liberal Democrat and Reform Party. (EurActiv) Two earthquakes kill 22 people in Nangarhar Province, Afghanistan. (Sky News) Peter Sunde, Fredrik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm, and Carl Lundström of The Pirate Bay are found guilty of copyright infringement and imprisoned until 2010. (New Zealand Herald) People's Alliance for Democracy leader Sondhi Limthongkul is injured in an apparent assassination attempt in Bangkok, Thailand. (Los Angeles Times) A recount in Moldova's parliamentary election confirms an "emphatic win" by the Communist Party. (Russia Today) The trial of Mohammad Ajmal Amir Kasāb resumes. (Al Jazeera) Serbian President Boris Tadić visits Kosovo. (Deutsche Welle) The Czech Republic invites Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko to a European Union summit in May. (RIA Novosti) Botswana will reduce its output of diamonds by more than 50% in 2009. (AFP) Malagasy President Andry Rajoelina issues an arrest warrant for former President Marc Ravalomanana. (News 24) South Africa's Army enters KwaZulu-Natal province to prevent violence during the upcoming general election. (BBC) Canada restores citizenship to foreigners in an amendment to the Citizenship Act of 1977. (Wall Street Journal) The Fifth Summit of the Americas begins in Port-of-Spain, Trinidad and Tobago. (Barbados Advocate)

ITN candidates for April 17

• The verdict for the Pirate Bay will be out. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)reply

Alas, they were found guilty. 10 Some nice wording please. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Something like: "Four operators of torrent tracking website The Pirate Bay are found guilty of "promoting other people's infringements of copyright laws" and sentenced to one year in prison" - Dumelow (talk) 10:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)reply

We should link to file sharing and not torrent tracking since the former is more generic. This calls for some rewording. __meco (talk) 10:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)reply

And I don't think the generic link is particularly required here. Please feel free to give your rationale. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)reply

All-female ants that reproduce by cloning

• Can anyone come up with a nice wording for Mycocepurus smithii? 11 --BorgQueen (talk) 06:41, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

No response at all? And this being a weekend too... Researchers discover Mycocepurus smithii, the first ant species determined to consist exclusively of females and to reproduce through cloning. --candle•wicke 18:15, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I generally support science stories but I don't believe this one is of ITN scale... --Tone 21:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Two first-time discoveries in one not good enough? --candle•wicke 22:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Well somebody has to do something soon and this looks the most ready... this place is suffering from a severe lack of activity considering it's a weekend... --candle•wicke 00:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Sorry, I've been kept quite busy by work-related matters. Request for clarification: is the the first species found to do this, or the first ant species found to do this? Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 00:59, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

To quote the BBC, "This species - the first ever to be shown to reproduce entirely without sex - cultivates a garden of fungus, which also reproduces asexually." It is more important in that there are two firsts and also is rather unusual so I would think this is good enough for ITN. Besides, isn't this the type of story one expects to read about in an encyclopedia? --candle•wicke 03:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

First ant. 12 Narayanese (talk) 07:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I don't get it. Why is this not relevant? It is two new discoveries in one, it is not particularly controversial, it is updated, it is a science story (of which we both lack and like) and if I were reading an encyclopedia it would be what I would expect to see. So why is there so much difficulty in having it posted? Injaz was the world's first cloned camel, not the world's first cloned animal but that was posted with no difficulty whatsover thereby countering any argument that it ought to be the world's first animal. So what is the difference here exactly? It doesn't make very much logical sense. --candle•wicke 12:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

(unindent) Well, if there are no further objections, I'm going to post it soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

5th Summit of the Americas

Nominate the 5th Summit of the Americas in Trinidad and Tobago this weekend. Nothing earth shattering, but gatherings of the leaders of the Americas don't happen every day. Scanlan (talk) 20:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I was just about to nominate this... --candle•wicke 20:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Why not. It happens only every couple of years and it is very international. Even better, if there are some results. --Tone 21:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Would it be better to wait until the end then maybe? --candle•wicke 22:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I'd say until something crazy happens. –Howard the Duck 17:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I tend to agree with the Duck. I don't think we should list every single international summit unless some significant decision is made as a result, or something "crazy" happens, such as cancellation, violent protest or another "¿Por qué no te callas?". --BorgQueen (talk) 05:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 16

• How about the Naxalite rebels story? Election violence is notable, right? Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 21:23, 16 April 2009 (UTC)reply
  • Support, but the relevant articles need updates. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Okay, updating done. Wording: Naxalite rebels kill at least 17 people during the first phase of India's general election. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 00:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Blood Falls

• I wonder if this discovery is ITN-worthy. They've found microbes living without oxygen, drawing energy from sulfur and iron instead. The microbe hasn't been named yet but we have Blood Falls. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:43, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. --candle•wicke 22:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Suggested blurb: The discovery of a subglacial ecosystem of bacteria in Blood Falls, Antarctica, that survives without oxygen and metabolizes sulfur and iron, is announced. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Reads fine I should think. --candle•wicke 03:03, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

"Subglacial" should get into the blurb again IMO, as that's what makes it interesting (iron or sulfur metabolism aren't that uncommon). Narayanese (talk) 08:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Better now? --BorgQueen (talk) 09:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 15

The UK announces ten prospective sites for new nuclear reactors 13

ITN candidates for April 14

• North Korea nuclear news will no doubt have international effect. Fairly big since they had an agreement, i think this news item qualifies for ITN. Ashishg55 (talk) 22:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)reply

or something similar to agreement... Ashishg55 (talk) 22:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Injaz, the world's first cloned camel

• I wonder if this is ITN-worthy? It's the first time scientists cloned a camel. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)reply
  • The article is ready. Suggested blurb: The Camel Reproduction Center in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, announces the birth of Injaz, the world's first cloned camel. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)reply
    • Alt: The birth of Injaz, the world's first cloned camel, is announced in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support, either tagline is good - Dumelow (talk) 21:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Current events of April 13, 2009 (2009-04-13) (Monday) edit history watch

A fire destroys a homeless hostel and kills at least 22 people in Kamień Pomorski, Poland. (BBC) The Taliban's Students' Movement imposes sharia law in Swat, Pakistan. (Reuters) Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva says that anti-government protests in Bangkok are "under control". (BBC) Mass media in Fiji protest against government censorship. (Al Jazeera) China's government publishes a National Human Rights Action Plan. (Xinhua) An unmanned Palestinian fishing vessel explodes near an Israeli Navy patrol in the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) United States Representative Donald M. Payne comes under mortar fire at Aden Adde International Airport in Somalia. (Telegraph) Protests against Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili continue in Tbilisi. (RIA Novosti) (AFP) At least four Lebanese Ground Forces soldiers are killed near Baalbek in the Beqaa Valley. (Los Angeles Times) The U.S. federal government will rescind travel and gift restrictions to Cuba. (Miami Herald) The United Nations Security Council condemns North Korea's launch of Kwangmyŏngsŏng-2. (Sky News)

ITN candidates for April 13

• Brad Wall premier of the province of Saskatchewan has proclaimed April 13 "Corner Gas Day" to honour retiring award winning TV sitcom, Corner Gas.--SriMesh | talk 19:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Wouldn't WP:OTD be the place for this? Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 23:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)reply

OK SriMesh | talk 01:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Polish fire

• I was passing over this but as it's in my news (and I'm nowhere near Poland) and there are a lot of deaths and injuries... surprisingly it seems to have been a while since we had a right old proper blaze... we're getting too soft now, there's practically no doom and gloom... --candle•wicke 01:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I am leaning toward support... More than 20 deaths is a fairly large number for a single-building fire. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I am readying this. It is now virtually a shoe-in as the worst fire in Poland since 1980 and three days of national mourning have been declared. --candle•wicke 02:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)reply

• Ready! A fire at a homeless hostel in Kamień Pomorski, Poland, kills at least 21 people and injures around 20 others in the country's worst fire disaster since 1980. --candle•wicke 03:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)reply
  • Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 12

• 2009 Masters Tournament scheduled to conclude. --candle•wicke 19:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support; on WP:ITNSPORTS. Just make sure the article has some decently written and reffed prose. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 19:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Can anyone suggest a nice blurb? I am not familiar with sports topics. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I think there should be a mention that he is from Argentina. Jolly Ω Janner 18:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)reply

'K, I think that's fixed now. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 22:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Thailand declares a state of emergency

• Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva declares a state of emergency in Bangkok and surrounding areas. 14 Does anyone want to update 2008–2009 Thai political crisis? --BorgQueen (talk) 08:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I have added a bit about the state of emergency, hopefully I will be able to expand it a bit more later - Dumelow (talk) 13:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Good work, I am posting it soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:03, 12 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Thanks, I have just about run out of free time so hopefully someone will pick it up from the main page and keep it updated - Dumelow (talk) 14:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 11

Algerian presidential election, 2009

• Abdelaziz Bouteflika wins his third term as President of Algeria. --PFHLai (talk) 15:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)reply
  • Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:22, 11 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Fourth East Asia Summit is canceled

• Anti-government protests cancel the Fourth East Asia Summit in Pattaya, Thailand.
  • However, the articles need to be updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:19, 12 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 10

Fiji

The situation in Fiji is certainly worthy of an ITN entry, but we have no significantly updated article so far, apart from some minimal edits to 2006 Fijian coup d'état and Josefa Iloilo. The events appear to be:

• The Fijian Court of Appeal rules that the military government is illegal.
• The military commander, Frank Bainimarama, steps down but retains control of the military, leaving no government in Fiji
• The president, Josefa Iloilo, who was installed by the military govt, announces that the Court of Appeal judges are sacked, that the constitution is abolished, and he is assuming all governing power.

If the linked articles can be updated, and perhaps also Politics of Fiji, an ITN should be worded.-gadfium 06:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support when we have sufficient updates. --Tone 08:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I created a main article to follow this specific event: 2009 Fijian consititutional crisis -- Scanlan (talk) 12:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Good start. More or less ready, I'd say. Any other opinions? Also, please propose a blurb. --Tone 14:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Proposed wording since it is now red:

Fijian President, Ratu Josefa Iloilo, suspends the Constitution of Fiji after the country's Court of Appeal rules that the current government is illegal. --candle•wicke 16:15, 10 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posting. --Tone 17:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 9

Terror plot cock-up

Breaking news: UK terrorist plot arrests. Seems pretty big, someone on TV just said it was one of the biggest plots in the country. At the moment there's not a lot of info. The arrests were a bit last-minute. Might be a good idea to keep an eye on this story. Not sure if it's notable yet. Jolly Ω Janner 18:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The more interesting story here is how the most senior counter-terrorism officer in the country carried the "secret" documents around openly whilst being photographed and so was forced to launch the raids a day early. Although he has now resigned over the matter (BBC) - Dumelow (talk) 11:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Yeah, doesn't really look notable for Main Page news. Jolly Ω Janner 11:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Death of Ian Tomlinson

A criminal inquiry, from which the police has been removed, has began on the Death of Ian Tomlinson, after footage from the guardian shows him being attacked from behind by police

• I would be inclined to wait for the verdict as ITN typically does in such cases. --candle•wicke 15:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Police violence is far too common for this to go up as is. If there were giant protests (like the Greek protests), then I would support. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 19:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I would be of that opinion too. It is one to watch and perhaps the verdict may be significant or lead to something significant but at present there is too little there for ITN. --candle•wicke 19:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 8

Italy Quake

BBC now report 250 confirmed deaths 15. The main page needs updating --Daviessimo (talk) 08:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)reply

MV Maersk Alabama

How often does the crew itself actually regain control of a hijacked ship? If not often, this would seem notable. Grsz¹¹ 16:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Apparantly this was the fist hostage-taking of American sailors in 200+ years. Grsz¹¹ 17:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Wait for the cruise missile ships to get there. im sure they are not going to just let pirates keep the captain. then it might be more noteworthy. we already posted many pirate stories just few months back Ashishg55 (talk) 23:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Multiple reliable sources state that this particular attack was the first in 200 years to involve pirates taking American sailors hostage, and that the unarmed crew regained control of the ship. These facts establish that it was an atypical and unique event — irregardless of whether or not the captain is released. Personally, I'd appreciate seeing it listed in ITN.   — C M B J   00:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Basic wording foundation: American merchant sailors regain control of the MV Maersk Alabama after an attack by Somali pirates.   — C M B J   01:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Ireland's emergency budget (7th April)

• World reaction to Budget. I haven't gotten round to creating this yet but does anyone think it would be suitable for ITN? --candle•wicke 19:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)reply
  • Wording: Ireland's Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan, Jnr, unveils an emergency budget to counter the country's financial crisis. --candle•wicke 20:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)reply
    • I'm sorta going to weak oppose...The US state of California, I believe, had to do this too, and that has a much larger population than Ireland. This is more of a "local"-type story, I think. I feel this may be a bit more DYK worthy, however. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 00:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply
      • I doubt an entire country could be dismissed as "local"? National surely? Is it being dismissed for population reasons alone? I'm afraid I disagree with the idea of it being local, especially since there's enough information for an international reaction type section... and on the US state of California doing it – did it have to do it twice in quick succession because it messed up the first one? I would like some further explanation as to what this is being compared to? --candle•wicke 12:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply
        • Sorry if that comes across in a bad way but I can't understand the "local" idea or the idea of a US state which is not a country. If each US state were the equivalent of a country we would have about 20% more countries than there are already. And why would US states be considered more important than, say, their Australian or Indian counterparts? --candle•wicke 18:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)reply
          • IMHO, Japan granting the biggest bailout in their history was bigger than this and even that didn't make it. Now if the FTSE, Xetra Dax, CAC and AEX all posted gains (solely or primarily) because of this, this could be considered. –Howard the Duck 05:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)reply
            • That seems a more plausible comparison. Thanks. --candle•wicke 17:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)reply

ITN candidates for April 7

• 2009 Landshut shooting TouLouse (talk) 09:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)reply
• How about Moldovan protest? TouLouse (talk) 10:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)reply

The shooting appears of too small scale in comparison with other recent shootings on ITN. Riots in Moldova have way too short article at the moment but can be improved. Also, if the article about election is expanded a bit, it can go up. Maybe the best thing to combine the two. --Tone 11:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)reply

I've been improving the 2009 Chişinău riots, and urge that it and the Moldovan elections be posted.--Patrick «» 20:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Support. Sacking parliament and the presidential office makes it newsworthy :). Thue | talk 22:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Both articles are fine now. Just give me a good wording. Following the communist party victory at the Moldovan parliamentary election, massive protests begin in Chişinău? --Tone 07:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)reply

One of the new Moldovan parliament's first acts will be to elect a new president, Vladimir Voronin having already served the maximum two terms. This follows the election of the parliament on 5 April in the Moldovan parliamentary election, 2009 (BBC) - Dumelow (talk) 16:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Roughly 10,000 young persons protested in the Great National Assembly Square in Chisinau on Monday evening, disputing the results of the legislative elections won by the Communist Party the third consecutive time, Info-Prim Neo reports. ^{1 2} --Dima1 (talk) 18:41, 7 April 2009 (UTC)reply

Why is this under future events? --candle•wicke 20:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)reply Zdroj:https://en.wikipedia.org?pojem=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/April_2009
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